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the gold-standard paranormal radio and

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now here's gene Steinberg this week our

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co-host is Nick Redfern Paul Kimball

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will be joining us later our guest

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finally we got him here Richard Dolan on

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the power cast he's author of two books

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so far under the broad title UFOs in the

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national security state Volume one is an

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unclassified history which covers 1941

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the 1973 volume 2 which became much

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larger is 1973 to 1991 subtitled the

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cover-up exposed now before we get into

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what the cover-up is and more details

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for those who haven't heard rich on the

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power cast the first thing we ought to

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focus in is how did you come to write

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these books because I gather it sort of

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became a much bigger project than you

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anticipated rich yes it did Gianna by

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the way thanks for having me on in

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greetings to Nick I started doing UFO

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research a little over 15 years ago now

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back in the mid to early mid 1990s at

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that time I was doing fairly state of

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the conventional earth type of Cold War

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research doctoral dissertation focusing

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on the Harry Truman presidency I was in

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94 and I kind of stumbled into the UFO

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topic really in two different ways one

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was in a bookstore I saw a book by the

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author Timothy good called above top

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secret I've never seen this book before

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it was subtitled the worldwide UFO

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cover-up and I remember watching looking

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at the cover thinking wow that's kind of

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interesting and flipping through the

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book and becoming intrigued I was

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intrigued I think because he was writing

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in large part about a lot of

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people in the area that I've been

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focusing on and so on but he was working

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this into a UFO context and that was a

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bit jarring to me I bought the book and

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I found it very very interesting and

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what are UFOs but rather is this a

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genuine part of our history and if it is

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even if it was a mistake

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even if these three enforcer generals

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were interested in this by some kind of

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mistaken belief why had I never read

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about it in any academic book because

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after all I should think that that's

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still important and I also got

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interested in the UFO topic around the

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same time by trolling around on what was

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then the internet basically the bulletin

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board groups on Usenet there is one main

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one that I used to go to all to

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perronnette UFO I think it's still

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around I haven't been there lately but

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back in those days before there was much

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in the way of websites there were people

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who would be posting up information that

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was being irrelevant to UFOs you know

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wars that were going on then just as

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they do now there were always a lot of

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people had some pretty interesting

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things to say and those two things by

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the mid-90s really got me hooked and

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really what I wanted to do initially was

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not write a book well the main thing I

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satisfied for my own curiosity what I

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thought about the UFO topic did I think

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it was legit or not and that morphed

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a national security state that writing

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that book was really my initial attempt

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to answer the question for myself what

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did I think of the UFO phenomenon

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now just approaching this here you

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started out conceiving a two-volume set

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right and then as you were working on

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volume 2 obviously it kind of got away

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government spending is and there's a

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story that's out this week about the

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sprawling security apparatus at the USA

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that I'd like to talk about in a few

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moments yeah it became a three-volume

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project right it did yeah there was just

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too much information truthfully I

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thought I was doing what I thought was

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second and concluding volume of this

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study uh it occurred to me that that

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chapter one was a hundred pages and

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pages and I thought this is gonna be a

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thousand page book so there's just

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there's no way no way that I could make

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this work in it with that amount of

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quantity so I just decided to split it

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and really the perfect point to split I

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I felt was at nineteen ninety one which

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is the end of the Cold War really the

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end of an era and that worked out great

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that was a six hundred plus page book

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now of course volume three is gonna come

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eventually one of these days indeed and

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I'm Emily how far are you going to

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actually focus just whatever year you

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write it in or what that's right gene I

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actually finalized the book I I hope to

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have the topic covered as well as I can

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up to that point let's look at the

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broader aspect of where we're going with

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this UFOs and the national security

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state implies that there are national

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security issues in the presence of UFOs

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here so in so far in your investigation

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your research where do you think we can

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pinpoint these national security aspects

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well I think first and foremost we can

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pinpoint them in the in officially

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release government documents that show

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airspace violations as being a kind of a

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big concern what we know going back to

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the 40s and 50s and 60s and really even

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through up to our own era is that we

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have a consistent history of US military

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aircraft and indeed military aircraft of

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other nations as well chasing objects

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that behave in ways that are not

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supposed to be possible that are not

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identified and that often look in in a

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very unusual ways like disc-shaped for

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example so that doesn't prove that UFOs

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are alien or et but it does seem to

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prove to me that there's a phenomenon

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going on that's

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that begs an explanation and it has

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national security implications because

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when you have instances of objects being

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seen over sensitive airspace not once

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not twice not a dozen times but but many

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dozens of times that we know of

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then clearly that's important if you can

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identify it and if you're chasing if

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you're sending your own interceptors up

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to to look at it look after it so I

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would say yes that's a national security

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concern and this is something that we

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know was going on in the 40s and 50s and

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be beyond what we don't have of course

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is an official explanation from let's

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say the powers that be as to who's

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responsible for now over the course of

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writing this book and we should cover

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both items one in tube since they're

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both available and I have them in front

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of me and I read a lot of them despite

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what some people have suggested okay

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where do we see government involvement

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other than basically being participants

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witnessing sightings sending up

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aircrafts scrambling Jets because they

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see a sighting are there any other

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instances or aspects of government

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involvement we should be knowing about

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or concerned about I'm not sure where

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you were you going with this

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long history of the various types of

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government-sponsored investigations into

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UFOs maybe that's what were you thinking

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of I'm thinking also about overt

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involvement in terms of researchers

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dirty tricks Paul bennewitz is an

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example oh yeah right uh well one of the

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things that I've argued in in my second

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volume in particular is that the UFO

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phenomenon sort of came to a head as it

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often does and but in this case in the

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late 1970s and what really had happened

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as I see it is that the Freedom of

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Information Act which really only had

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got some teeth really in the mid and

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late 1970s resulted in the release of

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thousands of pay

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ages of documents relating to UFOs from

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military branches as well in particular

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years well we don't really investigate

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said it and then suddenly researchers

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they're talking about here rich they're

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saying we don't have any of the stuff we

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don't investigate it but they

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nevertheless have the documents we have

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Richard Dolan and he is author of two

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books of the UFOs in the national

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security state series a third book

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have Richard Dolan joining us some

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months back he came out with volume two

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of UFOs in the national security state

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subtitled the cover-up expose and we're

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going to try to do that our co-host this

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week are Paul Kimball and Nick Redfern

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Nick why'd you pick up on the

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questioning well sure I guess one of the

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questions that kind of occurred to me as

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rich has been talking about how you know

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he initially got involved in the subject

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not like a lot of teeth with someone who

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has a UFO experience but coming across

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the subjects and then beginning to learn

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more about it I just kind of wonder how

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when the penny dropped so to speak in

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the realization hit home that this is a

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real phenomenon I mean did that kind of

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galvanize you did you feel you are you

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know you need this story needed to get

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out there because people just weren't

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fully aware of it yeah there was there

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were a couple of a little epiphanies

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Nick that occurred to me in fact it's

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it's somewhat related to what I was just

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about to discuss anyway regarding

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government documents one of the key

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early documents that I read that really

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got got me energized is a famous one

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among researchers and that's the twining

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memo of 1947 I'm sure many people

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listening I've heard of it but for those

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who haven't it's was a document written

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by then three-star general Nathan

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twining who later went on to get four

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stars became Air Force chief of staff

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and in 1947 twining was answering

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request from another general charles

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shogun relating to the status of these

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flying saucers shielding advanced

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basically is there anything that

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need to do about this what is you know

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what is going on with these flying

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saucers twining wrote back up a memo

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which had a lot of detail and he

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repeated a lot of the statements that

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were being collected by military

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agencies describing the characteristics

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of these disks and what the key thing

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that twining said to him was that the

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phenomenon the reported phenomenon is

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real not visionary or fictitious and

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then went on to describe the

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characteristics of it is reported by

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military personnel the characteristics

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were quite fascinating to me silent or

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nearly silent evasive upon being sighted

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well-kept formations of flight and one

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of the key things he said was a flat on

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bottom domed on top in terms of the

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shape I asked myself what objects in

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1947 would be flat on the bottom and

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domed on top nothing officially that's

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supposed to exist so I remember reading

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that in around 1994 thinking well that

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is interesting and at that time as I

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mentioned earlier I was deep in the

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heart of studying us cold war strategy

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of exactly that period of time late

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1940s and I thought if they were truly

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interested in this well that's that's

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the part of the historical record and is

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very interesting so that was a key

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moment as I discovered that's completely

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legitimate memo and there are many

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others of a similar type of nature that

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were equally compelling I guess you know

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based on the fact that your book is very

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historically made you know you go back

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to the early days one of the things I

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found and I wonder if you found this as

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well is that many people who are new to

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the subject are sort of woefully

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ignorant of the very good strong history

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of the subject you know that's right you

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get this but I get a lot of talk at

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lectures and conferences estimate area

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51 alien autopsy regarding really the

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surface you know in the last 10 15 years

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and I get a lot of blank looks when you

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start picking out names from years gone

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by and that's what I liked about your

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book I just wanted how important you

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feel it is to sort of put it in each

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whole context you know it would be

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important he should be from the early

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days well it was a fundamental reason I

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wrote the book Nick truthfully I recall

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thinking still when I was in the early

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research

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period of this book before I'd really

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written any of it I've always had a

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theory about any subject which is that

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there should always be a good 500 page

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book that deals with the subject in all

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of its important facets I've got a lot

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of I'm sure all of us have a lot of 500

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page books on my shelf dealing with this

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topic or that topic or that nation's

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history and so on and I thought you

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really ought to be something for the UFO

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field and looking around and really not

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finding one to my satisfaction I I did

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set out to try to write that I do feel

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that losing our histories is always

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something we have to be careful of and I

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wanted at least to the best of my

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ability to write a clear reasonably

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comprehensive and reliable history of

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the phenomenon that would be useful for

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for people today and for people in the

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future I mean just so that we don't

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forget we don't forget the history yeah

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no that's that's a good point

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and I guess just as a fellow author I

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mean did he get a the sort of back the

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response from the Raiders so to speak

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was that what you expected I mean did

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you tell you know sort of intriguing

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comments I mean did you get any sort of

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facial interest that sort of thing when

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I was writing the book I I wrote it

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almost completely by stealth as it used

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to sometimes say I mean nobody knew I

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was when when the book finally appeared

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in mid really it started appearing in

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late 2011 ten years ago I think people

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were palladin were very surprised

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because they had never heard of me and

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this was a fairly substantial look I was

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hoping that I would get positive

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feedback I didn't really know how that

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would work out I was pleased by a lot of

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the feedback that I got from some people

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who were good government background some

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scientists who had a lot of intelligence

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community background and the number of

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them wrote to me saying hey great job

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you got a couple of things wrong here

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and there but overall I love your book I

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was very very happy when I got a real

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thrill when I

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I wrote to the astronaut Edgar Mitchell

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trying to get one famous person to

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endorse my book I thought I just want

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one person who's really well-known who

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will put in a good word for me and and

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it was a I considered it a Hail Mary

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past to get dr. Mitchell to even look at

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the book but fortunately for me he did

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and he he said was he liked it and I was

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able to get an endorsement actually I

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got that endorsement out of him about a

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week before I had to finalize the book

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to get it to the printer I think I was

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in danger of becoming a serious pest to

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him

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but he finally relent and said yeah just

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just go with the quote that's fine I

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wanted his coat on the front cover no

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question about it well I guess an

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astronaut car you can't get much better

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than master well it was it was

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absolutely the best that I was able to

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get and I was happy to get it absolutely

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cool okay good yeah and you know having

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written two very extensive volumes now I

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mean that where do you feel we're at you

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know in terms of yes for getting the

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information out there but to what extent

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are people listening and more

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importantly to what extent do you think

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we're making a difference or able to

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make a difference in terms of hopefully

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resolving the issue one day yeah such a

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good question it's such a hard question

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to answer in the UFO field has often you

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know we're just perennially set apart

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from the rest of society in a lot of

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ways in the sense that we've got very

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dedicated loyal readers people who are

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very dedicated to the topic but they're

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continually is this failure to break

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through to a large mainstream audience I

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do see that changing a little bit in the

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last few years not not in terms of books

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so much as through film and television

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I'm thinking of James Fox who's been

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able to make a number of appearances on

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the Larry King show there had been a few

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television venues in which some

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intelligent and serious researchers have

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been able to make make their case okay

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we're getting more of that in a moment

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we have Richard M Dolan and our co-host

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this week Paul Kimble Nicholas Redfern

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Unchained steinberger in the power cast

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the United States has declared martial

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law under executive order 11400 crisis

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seems more likely with each passing day

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think it can't happen here executive

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630
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you are listening to the podcast I'm

631
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gene Steinberger in the power cast

632
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co-host Nick Redfern and Paul Kimball

633
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our guest is Richard M Doan Paul Kimball

634
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:29,070
you have the floor

635
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:30,809
excellent well this is the moment

636
00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,460
everybody's been waiting for him sure

637
00:27:38,150 --> 00:27:35,100
and I'm not going to ask rich about UFOs

638
00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,160
instead I want to ask you rich about

639
00:27:41,570 --> 00:27:40,080
we'll talk about UFOs mitt but I want to

640
00:27:45,260 --> 00:27:41,580
ask you about the other part of your

641
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:45,270
book's title because it is UFOs and the

642
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,730
national security state perhaps you

643
00:27:52,010 --> 00:27:49,919
could talk a bit about the Nashville

644
00:27:54,260 --> 00:27:52,020
what do you mean by the national

645
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,270
security leaving aside UFOs what do you

646
00:27:59,169 --> 00:27:56,580
mean by the national security state what

647
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,179
should your readers understand that as a

648
00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:01,860
concept in sort of the broader picture

649
00:28:05,570 --> 00:28:04,500
of how our society is structured perhaps

650
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:05,580
you can talk a bit about that

651
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:07,410
yeah great question thank you for asking

652
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:08,730
it Paul

653
00:28:14,659 --> 00:28:11,400
I do see American society really global

654
00:28:18,740 --> 00:28:14,669
society in general as having evolved

655
00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:18,750
over the past century without a doubt in

656
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:21,540
terms of how the governing structures

657
00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:24,690
are situated so the United States was

658
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:26,630
founded over two centuries ago

659
00:28:31,220 --> 00:28:29,520
explicitly as a republic something that

660
00:28:34,820 --> 00:28:31,230
was in opposition to the concept of

661
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:34,830
monarchy the American Republic has had a

662
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:36,210
long history it's gone through a lot of

663
00:28:40,850 --> 00:28:38,970
changes of permutations I would argue

664
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:40,860
and certainly not alone in this aisle

665
00:28:45,650 --> 00:28:43,470
that since the Second World War in

666
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particular the form of the US

667
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:47,190
government's gone through some some

668
00:28:52,700 --> 00:28:49,260
changes that have really weakened and

669
00:28:55,070 --> 00:28:52,710
maybe even mortally wounded that the

670
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traditional Republic that we many of us

671
00:29:01,130 --> 00:28:57,929
have grown to love or learn about in

672
00:29:02,900 --> 00:29:01,140
school so what is it that we actually

673
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:02,910
have what form of government do we truly

674
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:05,730
have when I look at the United States

675
00:29:10,970 --> 00:29:08,700
government I see a sprawling apparatus

676
00:29:13,580 --> 00:29:10,980
that's dominated more and more every

677
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:13,590
year by an unanswerable intelligence

678
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:16,650
community black budget special access

679
00:29:22,580 --> 00:29:19,530
programs and the like and so what do we

680
00:29:24,620 --> 00:29:22,590
actually have I'm not sure if

681
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if classical political philosophy has

682
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:27,390
given us a proper name for it but it's

683
00:29:32,510 --> 00:29:29,610
it's something other than a republic and

684
00:29:35,779 --> 00:29:32,520
so calling it a national security state

685
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:35,789
I think is descriptive it's a state that

686
00:29:40,190 --> 00:29:38,250
along the lines of you know Dwight

687
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Eisenhower's farewell address when you

688
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,590
talk warned about the dangers of a

689
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military-industrial complex I think the

690
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:47,610
national security state is something

691
00:29:52,430 --> 00:29:49,529
along these lines it's not quite

692
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government it's not quite private it's a

693
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sprawling nexus of both of those things

694
00:29:59,510 --> 00:29:58,200
but still never let's take PAC tax

695
00:30:02,210 --> 00:29:59,520
dollars along the way

696
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I remember once having a conversation I

697
00:30:05,630 --> 00:30:03,570
think when I first met you which I

698
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believe was naztech many years ago when

699
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I was doing the majestic 12th film and

700
00:30:10,639 --> 00:30:08,669
you were kind enough to be interviewed

701
00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:10,649
for that and you talked about the

702
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:15,480
concept of American fascism now I used

703
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:17,010
to be one of those people that you know

704
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,809
my hackles would get raised

705
00:30:23,210 --> 00:30:20,580
whenever somebody would say American

706
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fascism or that idea that maybe the

707
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United States is is evolving or

708
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:26,850
devolving depending on how you look at

709
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:31,080
it into a fascist state and I because I

710
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,970
spent most of my time as the young

711
00:30:38,990 --> 00:30:35,279
historian setting the Nazis I equate I

712
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:39,000
equated fascism with Nazism but then you

713
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:41,010
realize that that was just one

714
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:43,529
manifestation of fascism the trash is

715
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,539
fascism as it was originally envisioned

716
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:47,640
in Italy by Mussolini was a very

717
00:30:52,639 --> 00:30:49,890
corporate estate where the government

718
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,649
and the corporation's merged if not

719
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:54,600
quite a military industrial complex the

720
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:57,450
statist military-industrial complex and

721
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,700
somebody I remember and I can't quite

722
00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:01,440
remember who was but said fascism won't

723
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:03,630
arrive in the United States in brown

724
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:05,970
shirts and jackboots it will arrive in

725
00:31:11,419 --> 00:31:08,490
business suits in essence and briefcases

726
00:31:13,490 --> 00:31:11,429
and corporate type of paraphernalia it

727
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:13,500
fascism arrives in each society in

728
00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:16,770
different guises akin to that society do

729
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:18,059
you think that's what happened in the

730
00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:20,490
United States that that there is this

731
00:31:23,870 --> 00:31:22,440
we're not talking Hitler in his brown

732
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,880
shirts but we're talking about something

733
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:26,100
that in an American context is just as

734
00:31:30,919 --> 00:31:27,809
bad and you know what an awful lot

735
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:30,929
sneakier frankly yes absolutely and like

736
00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:31,890
you by the way Paul I

737
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:34,380
I studied the Hitler the Nazi regime to

738
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:36,210
an excruciating degree

739
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:38,490
for many many years I myself I'm looking

740
00:31:45,020 --> 00:31:41,430
at a lot lots of books dealing with the

741
00:31:47,450 --> 00:31:45,030
Third Reich and I'm very aware that

742
00:31:50,150 --> 00:31:47,460
academic academics are very particular

743
00:31:53,030 --> 00:31:50,160
when you talk about fascism to say that

744
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,040
it was a historical phenomenon referring

745
00:31:56,990 --> 00:31:55,200
to Mussolini Hitler and Franco and you

746
00:31:59,090 --> 00:31:57,000
know related regimes of that particular

747
00:32:01,250 --> 00:31:59,100
time but I think that that's that's

748
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:01,260
taking a very parochial view of it and I

749
00:32:06,460 --> 00:32:04,170
I'm glad that I think you and I might be

750
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:06,470
on the same page here in the sense that

751
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:08,610
here's what here's a question that I

752
00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:10,200
asked myself a number of years ago and

753
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:12,060
my children were quite a bit smaller I

754
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:15,150
was locking them in a playground with a

755
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:17,070
bunch of other kids and parents are

756
00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:19,170
sitting down on benches reading

757
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:21,150
newspapers listening to whatever they

758
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:23,610
were doing and I was I was thinking as I

759
00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:25,050
often do about the horrible state of the

760
00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:27,390
world and thinking you know these kids

761
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:31,020
are utterly oblivious to to so many of

762
00:32:33,500 --> 00:32:32,250
the bad things that are going on today

763
00:32:36,140 --> 00:32:33,510
and of course that's good they're kids

764
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:36,150
but I thought well how how many adults

765
00:32:41,300 --> 00:32:37,830
really are fully aware of what is going

766
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:41,310
on in our own country and then it

767
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:43,710
occurred to me that I had this question

768
00:32:49,970 --> 00:32:47,610
which is can you have a fascist state

769
00:32:52,790 --> 00:32:49,980
without people knowing it can you have

770
00:32:54,140 --> 00:32:52,800
an invisible fascism so to speak and I

771
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:54,150
thought the answer to that is yes well

772
00:33:00,920 --> 00:32:56,640
of course you can you know certainly the

773
00:33:02,390 --> 00:33:00,930
people who are who owned all the goodies

774
00:33:05,660 --> 00:33:02,400
in in this country and around the world

775
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:05,670
today aren't so stupid as to throw

776
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,530
swastikas on their troops and have the

777
00:33:11,810 --> 00:33:09,360
marching and brown shirts up down up and

778
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:11,820
down the street a people would recoil to

779
00:33:17,270 --> 00:33:15,210
that but you can make a fascist state

780
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:17,280
much more attractive much more sexy just

781
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,490
turn on your TV zone out stop paying

782
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:22,200
attention to what's actually going on if

783
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:24,810
you have the corporatist state which

784
00:33:30,140 --> 00:33:27,930
includes course mass media which is a

785
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:30,150
big part of the picture and when you

786
00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:32,310
have an alliance between the major media

787
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:33,960
and the intelligence community which we

788
00:33:37,700 --> 00:33:36,810
know has happened over more than the

789
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:37,710
last 50 years

790
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:40,740
then how hard is it there's always going

791
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:43,770
to be people who wake up and resist that

792
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:46,410
but the large majority of people are

793
00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:48,090
there have the time and are the energy

794
00:33:51,030 --> 00:33:49,480
they don't have the where with

795
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:51,040
all to question all that they have jobs

796
00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:52,540
they have families to raise and so forth

797
00:33:58,500 --> 00:33:55,900
and so yes I think that's what we can be

798
00:34:01,620 --> 00:33:58,510
looking at and you know this isn't 1933

799
00:34:03,539 --> 00:34:01,630
its 1935 we're so fascism won't look

800
00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:03,549
like Hitler's version it won't look like

801
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:06,340
Mussolini's rennie or 2010 or in a

802
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,770
completely different era and so I think

803
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:10,960
we should expect that a version of

804
00:34:14,580 --> 00:34:13,330
fascism today would look different it

805
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:14,590
would look a little more sophisticated

806
00:34:18,750 --> 00:34:16,450
as a matter of fact I think the

807
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:18,760
mechanism that you're seeing and and I

808
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:20,800
certainly don't disagree with you I mean

809
00:34:25,649 --> 00:34:22,720
perhaps on some small points but in the

810
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:25,659
general thrust as each year passes more

811
00:34:29,820 --> 00:34:27,490
and more I agree with you in the way our

812
00:34:32,879 --> 00:34:29,830
society is going and I travel back in

813
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:32,889
time over 2000 years to the fall of the

814
00:34:37,619 --> 00:34:35,530
Roman Republic which didn't really fall

815
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:37,629
it's not like when Hitler took over even

816
00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:39,190
while Cellini it would happen fairly

817
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:41,590
quickly the instruments of the new state

818
00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:43,540
were in place in Hitler's case quite

819
00:34:48,810 --> 00:34:46,179
quickly it mostly took the longer it was

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never fully completed but in the Roman

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Empire

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I mean Augustus didn't use the title of

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Emperor it was so he bringing for

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decades without her in the Senate the

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Senate continued to convene and they

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continued to do things

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I mean toward the end they were a little

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more than the City Council of Rome but

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the Senate continue right on through the

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remaining days of the Empire for the

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next 500 years yeah and I think what

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you're seeing is and maybe fascism is

833
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the wrong word although I think it's

834
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also the right word is you're seeing an

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imperial America you're seeing a

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republic morph into an empire and I I've

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always thought that if after 1945 the

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United States simply replaced which is

839
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ironic considering how Americans and

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especially Roosevelt you prefer - Empire

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they basically replace the British as

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the holders of the anglo-saxon world

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order if you will our Empire yes okay

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senator power hasn't transferred from

845
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Rome to Byzantium transferred in this

846
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case from London to New York I think a

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smile or analogy did I just yeah

848
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excellent analogy and in fact the Brits

849
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really almost explicitly requested this

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in the immediate post-war years anyway I

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think in 1947 relator

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relative degrees so yes I take your

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point and agree that you know what is it

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that we have is it fascism is it some

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other version of authoritarianism I

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think we can quibble over the detail the

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reason by the way that I named my book

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UFOs and the national security state

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then is because it's always been

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important to me to try to understand the

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the UFO phenomenon didn't just drop into

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anyone's lap it dropped is so to speak

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into the lap of the American national

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anyone else really in a position to try

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Kimball now there was an interesting

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story this week that has become

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available from The Washington Post about

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control and I think Richards gonna have

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a comment about this let me read the

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first paragraph okay the top secret

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world the government created in response

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to the terrorist attacks of September

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11th 2001 has become so large so

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unwieldy and so secretive that no one

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knows how much money it costs how many

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people it employs how many programs

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exist within it or exactly how many

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agencies do the same work so Richard

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Owen I ask you is it quite possible they

1003
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could have something going on in there

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regarding UFO space travel whatever

1005
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secret space travel we wouldn't know

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anything about it we don't know what's

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happening in the security departments

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these days I can't prove that they do

1009
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but I believe absolutely that they do

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Jean and that is that's a great article

1011
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everyone should should read it

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um one of the things that I've really

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come to believe regarding the UFO topic

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and as the development of the national

1015
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security state is how integral almost

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certainly that the UFO secrecy has been

1017
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to the creation of the black budget

1018
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system that we have today and you know

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students of the American black budget I

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think in general they don't appreciate

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just how important the UFO topic is to

1022
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this field for example if I mentally

1023
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rewind the clock back to the late 1940s

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and pretend that I'm Harry Truman and

1025
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some of my top people have come to me

1026
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:14,470
and informed me that this phenomenon of

1027
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flying saucers is real and

1028
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apparently we've recovered which I think

1029
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has happened technology that wasn't

1030
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manufactured by human hands so let's

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just pretend that that did happen if it

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did certainly what I would need to do is

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to organize my top people around me and

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say you know let's figure this out

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and and maybe break down the division of

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labor so one person's job will be to you

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know control the media aspects of it one

1038
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person's job will be to try to find out

1039
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how bad the public panic might be in

1040
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another person's job would be to find a

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way for industry to study this

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technology so that we could do something

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with it and so forth and this is where I

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think the black budget comes in because

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if you're going to develop some kind of

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scientific R&D infrastructure to study

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acquired technology you obviously can't

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let the Soviets know about it in this

1049
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early period of the Cold War and that

1050
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means you really can't let Congress know

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about it because even if some

1052
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congressmen know about it it's almost

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certainly going to leak at some point so

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the idea would be that this has to be

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ultra ultra secret and what that means

1056
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of course is an end run around your

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formal constitutional practices you have

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to do it in your own eyes in order to

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fund a program that nobody can know

1060
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about and what if it turns out to be a

1061
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fairly expensive program so what you

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have in other words in the late 1940s I

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think is the genesis of a black budget

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much of which concerned the UFO topic

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and so the UFO phenomenon has a very

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integral relationship to the United

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States black budget I would argue and so

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now with articles like they'd come out

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of the post while we're dealing with I

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was going to say an invisible Empire but

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it's not so invisible it's a complete

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sprawling Empire that is answerable

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basically to no one to no citizen yes I

1074
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think we can trace a lot of this to the

1075
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UFO phenomenon 60 years ago okay so

1076
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let's look at some of the broader

1077
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aspects here the thing that worries me

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about these long term government

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programs is how do you continue them

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from administration to administration we

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know maybe the president doesn't know

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maybe Congress doesn't know but we know

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that

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military leadership is going to be

1085
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changing over the years so how do you

1086
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keep this going from one degree to

1087
00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,550
another one set of leadership to another

1088
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:41,680
set of leadership well I've asked this

1089
00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:43,750
question as well I was fortunate enough

1090
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:45,670
to have a chat couple of times it

1091
00:45:50,330 --> 00:45:47,410
actually become sort of friendly now a

1092
00:45:53,250 --> 00:45:50,340
gentleman who was a very high-level CIA

1093
00:45:55,770 --> 00:45:53,260
official this man knows more than one

1094
00:45:57,270 --> 00:45:55,780
u.s. president I know that heading he's

1095
00:46:00,090 --> 00:45:57,280
a good guy he's very very intelligent

1096
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:00,100
man I had the opportunity to ask him how

1097
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,870
much do US presidents know about this

1098
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:04,000
topic you know every researchers got a

1099
00:46:07,260 --> 00:46:05,410
chance to ask this I think we probably

1100
00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:07,270
want to ask it so I thought I would run

1101
00:46:13,950 --> 00:46:11,080
this by him and his answer was well some

1102
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:13,960
know more than others um he said you

1103
00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:14,890
know think of it this way

1104
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:17,560
the president's comin presidents go some

1105
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:19,090
of them around for four years some maybe

1106
00:46:25,230 --> 00:46:22,150
eight some are emotionally stable others

1107
00:46:27,900 --> 00:46:25,240
not so much he said some drink he said

1108
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:27,910
that to me some are just not reliable he

1109
00:46:32,010 --> 00:46:29,410
says that there are career people

1110
00:46:35,610 --> 00:46:32,020
involved in this and they're here

1111
00:46:37,380 --> 00:46:35,620
forever he said so the question is how

1112
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:37,390
much does a president how much can a

1113
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:38,890
president now and how much should a

1114
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:42,160
president now and one thing you know

1115
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:44,740
logistically speaking when you're

1116
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:46,660
dealing with all of the black budget

1117
00:46:51,570 --> 00:46:49,690
programs that we we have hundreds and

1118
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:51,580
hundreds it's actually just almost

1119
00:46:57,780 --> 00:46:55,090
impossible for any acting any sitting

1120
00:46:59,310 --> 00:46:57,790
president to be briefed on all of these

1121
00:47:02,100 --> 00:46:59,320
he's got to go on kissing the babies

1122
00:47:07,370 --> 00:47:02,110
shaking hands attending g20 meetings and

1123
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:07,380
so on it's really not in the president's

1124
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:11,200
capability to comprehend all of these

1125
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:13,690
black budget programs and the UFO topic

1126
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:17,380
is one of these so who's running it well

1127
00:47:22,590 --> 00:47:20,050
here's what it looks like to me it looks

1128
00:47:24,810 --> 00:47:22,600
to me that over the decades just as has

1129
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:24,820
happened with many other facets of the

1130
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:26,860
intelligence community that much of this

1131
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:29,320
has gone private more and more private

1132
00:47:32,730 --> 00:47:31,150
but that doesn't mean that there is no

1133
00:47:36,930 --> 00:47:32,740
government interaction with the UFO

1134
00:47:39,210 --> 00:47:36,940
topic but I think my guideline for

1135
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:39,220
understanding this is as an article that

1136
00:47:42,730 --> 00:47:40,430
I read

1137
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:42,740
ten years ago by an aviation writer bill

1138
00:47:47,050 --> 00:47:45,050
Sweetman bill statement did a study of

1139
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:47,060
special access programs in other words

1140
00:47:51,610 --> 00:47:49,130
of the black budget and what he argued

1141
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:51,620
what he discovered he said was that the

1142
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:54,170
black budget programs that are within

1143
00:47:58,630 --> 00:47:56,930
the Pentagon increasingly are dominated

1144
00:48:03,480 --> 00:47:58,640
by the private contractors not by the

1145
00:48:06,610 --> 00:48:03,490
Pentagon personnel that the dominant

1146
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:06,620
decision makers were the corporations

1147
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:08,750
whether Lockheed Boeing Raytheon and so

1148
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,170
forth not the the Pentagon liaisons who

1149
00:48:17,740 --> 00:48:14,480
increasingly functioned primarily as

1150
00:48:21,700 --> 00:48:17,750
gatekeepers for money for funding us

1151
00:48:23,140 --> 00:48:21,710
conduits but often not a lot more now

1152
00:48:26,410 --> 00:48:23,150
that was statements conclusion regarding

1153
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:26,420
just special in a standard black budget

1154
00:48:33,250 --> 00:48:30,290
programs but the individuals that I've

1155
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:33,260
been able to speak with who've had who

1156
00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:34,910
tell me that they've had connection with

1157
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:38,360
ufo-related black budget programs have

1158
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:40,130
said essentially the same type of thing

1159
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:43,810
that this is this is something in which

1160
00:48:48,340 --> 00:48:46,130
formal government channels increasingly

1161
00:48:51,220 --> 00:48:48,350
are out of the loop and really I ask

1162
00:48:55,090 --> 00:48:51,230
myself is that so hard to believe you

1163
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:55,100
look at how American foreign policy has

1164
00:48:59,290 --> 00:48:56,570
been conducted over the past several

1165
00:49:01,540 --> 00:48:59,300
decades and it's only got the most thin

1166
00:49:04,330 --> 00:49:01,550
veneer of political independence it's

1167
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:04,340
really running for as I see a lot of

1168
00:49:09,610 --> 00:49:07,370
people see for International Financial

1169
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:09,620
Group's that basically strong-armed the

1170
00:49:13,300 --> 00:49:10,730
government into doing what they wanted

1171
00:49:16,660 --> 00:49:13,310
to do so I don't think it's any

1172
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:16,670
different relating to the UFO topic it's

1173
00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:18,290
interesting when you mentioned that I'm

1174
00:49:23,650 --> 00:49:20,600
just looking at that top secret America

1175
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:23,660
Washington Post article and on the first

1176
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,970
page it says among their investigations

1177
00:49:32,020 --> 00:49:28,880
findings include that some 1,000 this is

1178
00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:32,030
sobering stuff so 1271 government

1179
00:49:39,010 --> 00:49:37,070
organizations and 1931 private companies

1180
00:49:41,260 --> 00:49:39,020
work on programs related to

1181
00:49:44,490 --> 00:49:41,270
counterterrorism homeland security and

1182
00:49:47,710 --> 00:49:44,500
intelligence in about 10,000 locations

1183
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:47,720
across the United States I don't know

1184
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,330
who so there's a couple of things you

1185
00:49:53,020 --> 00:49:52,400
could take out of that one there's more

1186
00:49:54,910 --> 00:49:53,030
private

1187
00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:54,920
companies by a factor of about

1188
00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:56,780
one-and-a-half to government

1189
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,540
organizations working on let's say

1190
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,040
homeland security intelligence

1191
00:50:06,010 --> 00:50:03,920
operations new if you live anywhere in

1192
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:06,020
the United States they're probably doing

1193
00:50:11,530 --> 00:50:09,890
it in your town in some yeah another so

1194
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:11,540
I'm certainly doing it in Arizona I'll

1195
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:13,610
tell you that yeah if you're wondering

1196
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:15,170
where the US national security apparatus

1197
00:50:20,860 --> 00:50:18,650
is walk down your Main Street and take a

1198
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:20,870
look because that's probably where it is

1199
00:50:25,210 --> 00:50:23,690
and that that should be sobering to

1200
00:50:27,580 --> 00:50:25,220
anybody and if you so to all those

1201
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:27,590
people who say well we're and again I'm

1202
00:50:33,010 --> 00:50:30,080
not agreeing or disagreeing in fact I

1203
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:33,020
tend to disagree about some of the UFO

1204
00:50:36,550 --> 00:50:34,850
conclusions even as I keep an open mind

1205
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:36,560
one of the reasons why I would keep an

1206
00:50:41,020 --> 00:50:37,850
open mind is when you look at a

1207
00:50:42,970 --> 00:50:41,030
statistic like that it's very difficult

1208
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:42,980
for me to give credence to somebody

1209
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:44,750
would just give a blank denial and say

1210
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,430
well the US government could never keep

1211
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:48,800
those kinds of secrets could they well

1212
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:50,930
of course they could there's 1931

1213
00:50:54,730 --> 00:50:52,730
private companies they can bury it in

1214
00:50:56,110 --> 00:50:54,740
and there's twelve hundred and seventy

1215
00:50:58,660 --> 00:50:56,120
one government organizations they can

1216
00:51:01,060 --> 00:50:58,670
buried it in in parts of it in so if you

1217
00:51:03,300 --> 00:51:01,070
can if you can part mentalize it then

1218
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:03,310
you can at least make a legitimate

1219
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:06,770
rational case I think that if there is

1220
00:51:11,950 --> 00:51:10,100
alien technology it could be covered up

1221
00:51:13,720 --> 00:51:11,960
that leaves us of course with question

1222
00:51:16,180 --> 00:51:13,730
whether there is alien technology that

1223
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:16,190
we've been covered or not but if you can

1224
00:51:19,570 --> 00:51:18,170
if you can prove that to me I have no

1225
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,580
problem believing that it could be

1226
00:51:23,980 --> 00:51:21,440
buried somewhere right next to the Ark

1227
00:51:26,620 --> 00:51:23,990
of the Covenant on Main Street in Topeka

1228
00:51:28,420 --> 00:51:26,630
Kansas it's not warehouse 13 then Paul

1229
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:28,430
right hey guy tell everybody we have

1230
00:51:31,900 --> 00:51:30,410
Richard Dolan joining us this week on

1231
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:31,910
the power cast if you want to find out

1232
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:34,370
more of what we do go to the power cast

1233
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:37,970
come with a th e the power cast comm our

1234
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:40,640
co-host this week Nick Redfern and Paul

1235
00:51:44,570 --> 00:51:42,470
Campbell I'm gene Steinberg you're in

1236
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:44,580
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1237
00:51:52,089 --> 00:51:49,450
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1238
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1250
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1251
00:52:23,170 --> 00:52:21,440
live.com hi this is ted Anderson have

1252
00:52:24,730 --> 00:52:23,180
you ever wondered why banks stockbrokers

1253
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:24,740
investment advisors won't talk about

1254
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:26,680
gold IRAs they've been available since

1255
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:29,210
1986 yet the financial industry won't

1256
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:31,010
recognize the value of gold for your

1257
00:52:35,289 --> 00:52:32,930
tournament gold has outperformed paper

1258
00:52:36,849 --> 00:52:35,299
investments yet no word about IRAs if

1259
00:52:40,539 --> 00:52:36,859
you would like to have gold for your

1260
00:52:42,370 --> 00:52:40,549
retirement call 866 2 2 3 7 don't get

1261
00:52:46,420 --> 00:52:42,380
left behind by rising inflation and low

1262
00:53:05,980 --> 00:52:46,430
returns call 866 to 237 secure your

1263
00:53:10,750 --> 00:53:08,800
we are talking with Richard Dolan you're

1264
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:10,760
in the power Cass I'm gene Steinberg our

1265
00:53:16,329 --> 00:53:13,730
co-hosts for Paul Kimball and Nicholas

1266
00:53:18,099 --> 00:53:16,339
Redfern Nick it's your turn one of the

1267
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:18,109
things that just kind of occurred to me

1268
00:53:22,540 --> 00:53:20,930
when Paul and rich were just you know

1269
00:53:24,579 --> 00:53:22,550
going back and forth on this whole issue

1270
00:53:27,849 --> 00:53:24,589
of the national security state and this

1271
00:53:30,070 --> 00:53:27,859
almost monolithic secrets buried within

1272
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:30,080
secrets etc as it relates to national

1273
00:53:35,770 --> 00:53:32,450
security in general I'm just wondering

1274
00:53:38,290 --> 00:53:35,780
what which his views are on how when it

1275
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,300
comes to your UFO specifically how we

1276
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:41,119
can even try and penetrate this entity

1277
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:44,089
if you like and get the information that

1278
00:53:48,579 --> 00:53:46,880
you know seems to be given there you

1279
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:48,589
know I mean I think the Freedom of

1280
00:53:52,930 --> 00:53:50,210
Information Act has proven to be a

1281
00:53:55,870 --> 00:53:52,940
useful tool and we have intriguing and

1282
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,880
very credible witness testimony but we

1283
00:54:00,280 --> 00:53:57,760
always seem to be one step away from

1284
00:54:03,970 --> 00:54:00,290
nailing it and getting the hard evidence

1285
00:54:06,700 --> 00:54:03,980
and I just wanted rich has any news you

1286
00:54:09,849 --> 00:54:06,710
know hard views or or just hypothetical

1287
00:54:13,540 --> 00:54:09,859
ideas on how we really motivate the

1288
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:13,550
community I guess politicians if we can

1289
00:54:17,859 --> 00:54:16,520
you know to talk to get past that step

1290
00:54:20,859 --> 00:54:17,869
that we never seem to be able to get

1291
00:54:23,530 --> 00:54:20,869
away from yeah well this is actually the

1292
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:23,540
theme of another book that I'm writing

1293
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:25,990
and finishing right now with a co-author

1294
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:29,210
it's been my it's been my belief that

1295
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:31,490
something along the lines of a

1296
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:33,170
breakthrough in the secrecy let's say

1297
00:54:37,930 --> 00:54:35,690
some form of disclosure which is the

1298
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:37,940
word that everyone loves to use is it's

1299
00:54:41,980 --> 00:54:39,920
something of a paradox I see it as

1300
00:54:45,220 --> 00:54:41,990
impossible but I also see it as

1301
00:54:48,220 --> 00:54:45,230
inevitable I see I see a breakthrough is

1302
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:48,230
impossible in a sense that there there's

1303
00:54:54,550 --> 00:54:51,440
no motivation none and I say that the

1304
00:54:56,620 --> 00:54:54,560
the secret keepers let's say have in

1305
00:54:59,220 --> 00:54:56,630
revealing this secret I don't I don't

1306
00:55:02,230 --> 00:54:59,230
see them ever wanting to do this

1307
00:55:06,510 --> 00:55:02,240
nevertheless I I see the end of secrecy

1308
00:55:08,589 --> 00:55:06,520
as an inevitability I don't yet I

1309
00:55:10,690 --> 00:55:08,599
haven't yet decided what I think the

1310
00:55:12,099 --> 00:55:10,700
trigger of that is going to be I think

1311
00:55:15,910 --> 00:55:12,109
it's very possible though that it could

1312
00:55:18,550 --> 00:55:15,920
be a multiple recorded mass sighting

1313
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:18,560
that just somehow makes the breakthrough

1314
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,130
and is in

1315
00:55:23,350 --> 00:55:21,680
becomes undeniable and I think that

1316
00:55:25,860 --> 00:55:23,360
that's possible because when I look at

1317
00:55:28,330 --> 00:55:25,870
the trajectory of our own recent

1318
00:55:30,010 --> 00:55:28,340
technology in our development over the

1319
00:55:32,890 --> 00:55:30,020
past 50 years and good god over the past

1320
00:55:35,350 --> 00:55:32,900
100 years it's very easy to see when you

1321
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,360
take the long view how we are on we're

1322
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:37,280
going up like a rocket ship into like

1323
00:55:42,550 --> 00:55:40,100
this new era of technology in other

1324
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:42,560
words 2010 is certainly not like 1990

1325
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:45,440
and it certainly isn't like 1950 just

1326
00:55:49,330 --> 00:55:47,210
think of the changes that we've had in

1327
00:55:51,460 --> 00:55:49,340
our world in the last 5 years we've

1328
00:55:54,580 --> 00:55:51,470
developed YouTube which didn't exist

1329
00:55:57,090 --> 00:55:54,590
before 2005 and and cellphones that

1330
00:55:59,410 --> 00:55:57,100
really aren't just cellphones but their

1331
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,420
personal assistants that really had the

1332
00:56:04,090 --> 00:56:01,280
whole web right on there and iPhones

1333
00:56:05,590 --> 00:56:04,100
with antenna problems well that's right

1334
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:05,600
I got it I got a neat little Android

1335
00:56:10,540 --> 00:56:07,670
which I'm kind of digging but the thing

1336
00:56:13,390 --> 00:56:10,550
is these phones are just another sign of

1337
00:56:16,030 --> 00:56:13,400
of the kind of leapfrogging technology

1338
00:56:17,980 --> 00:56:16,040
that we were developing and I really

1339
00:56:21,870 --> 00:56:17,990
wonder you know where are we going to be

1340
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:21,880
at in another 10 or 20 years from now 30

1341
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:27,440
to 40 to 50 years from now by that time

1342
00:56:32,790 --> 00:56:31,160
most experts who who are interested in

1343
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:32,800
things like artificial intelligence

1344
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:37,010
believe that even even say 30 years from

1345
00:56:40,710 --> 00:56:39,200
now we are very likely to be close to or

1346
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:40,720
having gotten to the point where

1347
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,520
computing intelligence surpasses human

1348
00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:45,440
intelligence in other words we're

1349
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:48,560
reinventing our society so if I

1350
00:56:53,740 --> 00:56:50,810
hypothesize between now and say 100

1351
00:56:55,630 --> 00:56:53,750
years from now do I see that in within a

1352
00:56:57,790 --> 00:56:55,640
hundred years we will have gone to a

1353
00:56:59,560 --> 00:56:57,800
point where the scientific

1354
00:57:02,890 --> 00:56:59,570
infrastructure of our whole society will

1355
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:02,900
make it obvious that UFOs are a reality

1356
00:57:06,790 --> 00:57:04,940
and some form of non-human intelligence

1357
00:57:09,970 --> 00:57:06,800
I think the answer that is yes so that I

1358
00:57:12,220 --> 00:57:09,980
ask myself well what when along the

1359
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:12,230
timeline from now 200 years are we

1360
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:14,450
likely to hit that point I don't know

1361
00:57:18,610 --> 00:57:16,190
when that will be but I think that it

1362
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:18,620
will happen in other words we are you

1363
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:20,570
know time is not standing still here

1364
00:57:25,660 --> 00:57:23,090
we're moving along a path and I just

1365
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:25,670
believe that the continuing

1366
00:57:30,370 --> 00:57:27,470
transformation of the technological

1367
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:30,380
foundations of our society are going to

1368
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:31,260
trigger

1369
00:57:37,070 --> 00:57:33,390
something that is going to be an

1370
00:57:38,690 --> 00:57:37,080
undeniable event now I could be wrong it

1371
00:57:40,820 --> 00:57:38,700
could also be that we're moving in

1372
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:40,830
toward a kind of global police state in

1373
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:43,650
which all information is completely

1374
00:57:47,900 --> 00:57:46,110
controlled and even even with all of our

1375
00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:47,910
new techno toys of the future we still

1376
00:57:52,370 --> 00:57:49,590
can't make the breakthrough but I I

1377
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,380
somehow believe that the situation is

1378
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:54,480
fluid enough that that we are going to

1379
00:57:57,650 --> 00:57:55,770
make this breakthrough I just don't know

1380
00:58:01,900 --> 00:57:57,660
how it will happen I guess I'll call it

1381
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:01,910
a faith a leap of faith I'm an awful lot

1382
00:58:07,250 --> 00:58:04,680
less optimistic about that than you are

1383
00:58:09,260 --> 00:58:07,260
I actually see us moving towards what I

1384
00:58:11,660 --> 00:58:09,270
would call a national surveillance state

1385
00:58:13,460 --> 00:58:11,670
and I love Nick's blog he has a blog

1386
00:58:15,530 --> 00:58:13,470
called Night of the Living jackboots

1387
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,540
isn't it Nick

1388
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:18,000
yeah where he monitors the the - intro

1389
00:58:22,820 --> 00:58:20,280
of the surveillance state in the United

1390
00:58:24,140 --> 00:58:22,830
Kingdom but let's run with your thing

1391
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:24,150
one of the things I've always enjoyed

1392
00:58:28,850 --> 00:58:26,160
talking with you about rich is

1393
00:58:32,150 --> 00:58:28,860
artificial intelligence the concept of

1394
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:32,160
the spike of when machine intelligence

1395
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:34,170
becomes perhaps sentient I like to call

1396
00:58:39,380 --> 00:58:37,440
it the Terminator point you know is it

1397
00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:39,390
kind of a depressing thing I was gonna

1398
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:41,520
say I'll be back but it's not for

1399
00:58:46,460 --> 00:58:43,680
another four minutes I'm sorry I'm back

1400
00:58:49,490 --> 00:58:46,470
but if we look let's just assume on a

1401
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,500
very I think conservative estimate that

1402
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:51,180
in a hundred years

1403
00:58:55,220 --> 00:58:53,400
you know longer than perhaps those of us

1404
00:58:57,830 --> 00:58:55,230
on this show have to live in a hundred

1405
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,840
years we will have developed computer

1406
00:59:02,120 --> 00:58:59,520
intelligence artificial intelligence

1407
00:59:04,310 --> 00:59:02,130
that would achieve some form of

1408
00:59:06,500 --> 00:59:04,320
sentience where you know literally we

1409
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:06,510
come God and then you know frankly there

1410
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:07,740
are a lot smarter than us at that point

1411
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:11,420
or we and we have enhanced ourselves

1412
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:14,040
cybernetically if you will doesn't want

1413
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:16,230
that we will have become the machine

1414
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:19,290
intelligence if we're looking at space

1415
00:59:24,770 --> 00:59:22,890
visitors coming from a way to here what

1416
00:59:27,370 --> 00:59:24,780
do you think the odds rich are that

1417
00:59:31,580 --> 00:59:27,380
we're dealing with some form of

1418
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:31,590
biological entity as opposed to the

1419
00:59:36,470 --> 00:59:34,310
likelihood that we are dealing with an

1420
00:59:38,780 --> 00:59:36,480
artificial intelligence that when you

1421
00:59:41,230 --> 00:59:38,790
say non-human intelligence we need

1422
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:41,240
non-human intelligence

1423
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:44,000
and they are if say 500 years more

1424
00:59:46,270 --> 00:59:45,470
advanced than us or a thousand or even

1425
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:46,280
200

1426
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:51,200
they are so totally alien to everything

1427
00:59:57,820 --> 00:59:55,250
that we represent as a society as a race

1428
00:59:59,560 --> 00:59:57,830
that perhaps they're just up there

1429
01:00:01,960 --> 00:59:59,570
waiting for us to reach that point where

1430
01:00:03,790 --> 01:00:01,970
we become machines like them well you

1431
01:00:05,830 --> 01:00:03,800
think of that there's a lot there's a

1432
01:00:08,100 --> 01:00:05,840
lot in that statement I will say that I

1433
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:08,110
think back in 2003 I wrote an article

1434
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:10,760
the first that I'm aware of in the UFO

1435
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:12,410
field that really dealt explicitly with

1436
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:15,140
this topic of the UFO phenomenon is

1437
01:00:20,380 --> 01:00:18,770
having a strong AI component it was

1438
01:00:23,050 --> 01:00:20,390
actually not long after I had been

1439
01:00:24,910 --> 01:00:23,060
really turned on my head by a great book

1440
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:24,920
by Ray Kurzweil the age of Intel of

1441
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:27,430
spiritual machines a very great book

1442
01:00:31,780 --> 01:00:30,290
Kurzweil in fact does believe the idea

1443
01:00:34,540 --> 01:00:31,790
that what we're going to see in the

1444
01:00:36,910 --> 01:00:34,550
future is a merger more than a takeover

1445
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:36,920
that human and machine intelligence will

1446
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:39,050
kind of merge be that as it may that

1447
01:00:44,109 --> 01:00:42,290
really did get me thinking if we see

1448
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:44,119
ourselves as hitting the spike or the

1449
01:00:48,670 --> 01:00:45,770
singularity in a certain period of time

1450
01:00:50,230 --> 01:00:48,680
would not another technological

1451
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:50,240
civilization somewhere else have

1452
01:00:54,910 --> 01:00:53,330
achieved that and if so wouldn't that be

1453
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:54,920
the form in which they're dealing with I

1454
01:00:59,770 --> 01:00:57,560
all we can do is speculate one thing

1455
01:01:02,410 --> 01:00:59,780
that I would speculate is that you know

1456
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,420
if I'm thinking will any of us make it

1457
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:04,400
in a trip to the nearest star which is a

1458
01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:05,570
little over four light years away the

1459
01:01:10,540 --> 01:01:07,700
answers well known we don't really see a

1460
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:10,550
way for us to do that but in 5,200 years

1461
01:01:13,330 --> 01:01:11,930
but we have artificially intelligent

1462
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:13,340
ships or artificially intelligent

1463
01:01:19,150 --> 01:01:16,310
machines I can do it I think sure why

1464
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:19,160
not and if they arrive at another place

1465
01:01:24,670 --> 01:01:22,880
that's so so distant would they have the

1466
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:24,680
wherewithal the ability to interact with

1467
01:01:28,750 --> 01:01:26,480
any native life-forms that they may find

1468
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:28,760
and if so how would they do it once

1469
01:01:32,830 --> 01:01:30,470
speculation that I would have is that

1470
01:01:34,660 --> 01:01:32,840
they might take native genetic material

1471
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:34,670
made of life-forms and sort of construct

1472
01:01:38,830 --> 01:01:37,010
their own little workers out of it you

1473
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:38,840
know one of the ideas from the late Mac

1474
01:01:43,150 --> 01:01:40,850
taani so I know all of all of you here

1475
01:01:45,940 --> 01:01:43,160
are pneumatic very well and we're

1476
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:45,950
admirers of them as I am Mac in his last

1477
01:01:51,550 --> 01:01:49,700
book the crypto terrestrials wrote a

1478
01:01:53,980 --> 01:01:51,560
little bit about why he didn't believe

1479
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:53,990
in the extra-terrestrial hypothesis and

1480
01:01:58,680 --> 01:01:56,570
he described the types of creatures that

1481
01:02:01,480 --> 01:01:58,690
people describe some Reptoids

1482
01:02:02,980 --> 01:02:01,490
insectoids and humanoids well as he

1483
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:02,990
pointed out we have all of those on

1484
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:05,810
earth we have reptiles we have insects

1485
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:09,050
we have humans so you know what are

1486
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:11,210
people really seeing I don't know but

1487
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:14,410
one possibility might be that a visiting

1488
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:17,660
intelligence might well have taken

1489
01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:20,330
native genetic material from earth and

1490
01:02:26,070 --> 01:02:23,420
constructed their own variant to do

1491
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:26,080
their own work for them just a thought I

1492
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:30,260
guess the idea of AI though is is

1493
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:32,090
fundamental to how I look at the UFO

1494
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:32,930
phenomenon

1495
01:02:36,580 --> 01:02:34,490
okay well guess AI and other

1496
01:02:39,130 --> 01:02:36,590
considerations in a moment we have

1497
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:39,140
Richard Dolan our co-host Paul Kimball

1498
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:42,050
and Nick Redfern I'm gene Steinberg

1499
01:02:53,650 --> 01:02:50,720
you're in the para cast you are about to

1500
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:53,660
enter another dimension a dimension not

1501
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:56,450
only of sight and sound but of mind

1502
01:03:00,660 --> 01:02:59,030
adrenaline to a sinister land of secret

1503
01:03:03,849 --> 01:03:00,670
rights passwords

1504
01:03:06,490 --> 01:03:03,859
initiations and handshakes but the truth

1505
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:06,500
remains hidden and history is controlled

1506
01:03:12,070 --> 01:03:09,910
by an elite group of mysterious men

1507
01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:12,080
imagine if you will that I'm holding a

1508
01:03:16,359 --> 01:03:14,300
book in my hands that explains this

1509
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:16,369
secret history and that the name of this

1510
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:18,500
book is conspiracies and secret

1511
01:03:24,099 --> 01:03:21,220
societies the complete dossier

1512
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:24,109
here is described centuries of dark

1513
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:29,030
dealing lies murder mayhem and cover-ups

1514
01:03:35,020 --> 01:03:31,940
in the pursuit of unimaginable money in

1515
01:03:37,180 --> 01:03:35,030
power my name is Brad Steiger and the

1516
01:03:39,940 --> 01:03:37,190
stories you are about to read may have

1517
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:39,950
actually happened at the signpost up

1518
01:03:44,650 --> 01:03:40,640
ahead

1519
01:03:49,019 --> 01:03:44,660
your next stop conspiracies and secret

1520
01:03:51,959 --> 01:03:49,029
societies the complete dossier

1521
01:03:53,849 --> 01:03:51,969
how well and how fast does heart embody

1522
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:53,859
extract work to improve blood

1523
01:03:59,189 --> 01:03:56,799
circulation listen my name is Ellis and

1524
01:04:01,829 --> 01:03:59,199
I'm 66 years old not living Jacksonville

1525
01:04:03,239 --> 01:04:01,839
Florida two years ago I was diagnosed as

1526
01:04:05,699 --> 01:04:03,249
having clogged arteries

1527
01:04:07,140 --> 01:04:05,709
I had 70% blockage in one large relating

1528
01:04:08,939 --> 01:04:07,150
to my heart they wanted me to go on

1529
01:04:10,649 --> 01:04:08,949
plavix but I refused knowing the

1530
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:10,659
negative side effects heart and body

1531
01:04:14,729 --> 01:04:13,089
extract is a unique balance synergy and

1532
01:04:17,099 --> 01:04:14,739
proportion of herbs reaching from head

1533
01:04:18,959 --> 01:04:17,109
to toe at maximum absorption around 95

1534
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:18,969
percent at the cellular level within the

1535
01:04:23,459 --> 01:04:20,799
first month I felt a dramatic difference

1536
01:04:25,199 --> 01:04:23,469
the heaviness in my legs was reduced in

1537
01:04:25,739 --> 01:04:25,209
within two months I felt completely

1538
01:04:27,899 --> 01:04:25,749
normal

1539
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:27,909
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1540
01:04:31,919 --> 01:04:29,650
heart health is heart and body extract

1541
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:31,929
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1542
01:04:37,019 --> 01:04:34,569
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1543
01:04:39,419 --> 01:04:37,029
at HB extract calm or call eight six six

1544
01:04:41,219 --> 01:04:39,429
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1545
01:04:43,409 --> 01:04:41,229
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1546
01:04:45,630 --> 01:04:43,419
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1547
01:04:49,459 --> 01:04:45,640
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1548
01:04:51,539 --> 01:04:49,469
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1549
01:04:53,249 --> 01:04:51,549
originally we the people have entrusted

1550
01:04:56,039 --> 01:04:53,259
government to be the guardians of

1551
01:04:58,109 --> 01:04:56,049
parents to ensure purity content weights

1552
01:05:00,149 --> 01:04:58,119
and measures of gold and silver coins

1553
01:05:02,130 --> 01:05:00,159
citizens would use for commerce this

1554
01:05:04,890 --> 01:05:02,140
reinstalled confidence after the demise

1555
01:05:07,140 --> 01:05:04,900
of the Fiat Continental System wisdom

1556
01:05:08,699 --> 01:05:07,150
being lost with time the government we

1557
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:08,709
once entrusted to protect from

1558
01:05:12,509 --> 01:05:10,630
counterfeit has colluded with private

1559
01:05:14,489 --> 01:05:12,519
business creating the largest Fiat

1560
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:14,499
counterfeiting scheme our country ever

1561
01:05:18,989 --> 01:05:17,049
experienced this is not only a transfer

1562
01:05:20,729 --> 01:05:18,999
of power to an institution that is not

1563
01:05:22,409 --> 01:05:20,739
accountable to our elected government

1564
01:05:24,209 --> 01:05:22,419
but is also caused the dollar to lose

1565
01:05:26,429 --> 01:05:24,219
more than 90 cents of its original value

1566
01:05:28,380 --> 01:05:26,439
now foreign governments are trying to

1567
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:28,390
divest themselves from this once world

1568
01:05:32,909 --> 01:05:30,880
reserve currency hi this is Ted Anderson

1569
01:05:58,069 --> 01:05:32,919
I'm offering a book that explains how

1570
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1571
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hello is the only pillow of its kind on

1572
01:06:05,460 --> 01:06:03,340
the market that uses a patented fill

1573
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1574
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:08,170
needs my pillow is 100% made in the USA

1575
01:06:11,700 --> 01:06:09,850
and has a natural building cooling

1576
01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:11,710
effect to teach her cervical nerves cool

1577
01:06:15,630 --> 01:06:13,750
and that helps you get the best REM

1578
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:15,640
sleep possible my pillow helps alleviate

1579
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:17,890
snoring migraine sleep apnea and other

1580
01:06:22,140 --> 01:06:19,690
sleeping disorders my pillow is

1581
01:06:23,730 --> 01:06:22,150
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1582
01:06:26,010 --> 01:06:23,740
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1583
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1584
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and best of all my pillow comes with a

1585
01:06:32,070 --> 01:06:30,100
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1586
01:06:34,530 --> 01:06:32,080
guarantee so what do you have to lose

1587
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:34,540
except for sleep go to my pillow shop

1588
01:06:40,050 --> 01:06:37,330
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1589
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1590
01:06:44,010 --> 01:06:42,100
or call nine five two four four two

1591
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:44,020
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1592
01:06:49,190 --> 01:06:46,660
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1593
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:49,200
pillow for the rest of your life

1594
01:06:56,970 --> 01:06:53,220
tired of searching for great talk-radio

1595
01:07:03,960 --> 01:06:56,980
stuff on here we are the GC and radio

1596
01:07:10,289 --> 01:07:03,970
network you're in the para cast you

1597
01:07:16,839 --> 01:07:14,620
we have Richard Dolan author of two

1598
01:07:19,299 --> 01:07:16,849
volumes so far of UFOs in the national

1599
01:07:20,799 --> 01:07:19,309
security state our co-host this week are

1600
01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:20,809
Nick Redfern

1601
01:07:25,270 --> 01:07:23,180
I'm Paul Kimble you're in the power cast

1602
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:25,280
I'm gene Steinberg Paul you want to

1603
01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:26,720
follow up on that artificial

1604
01:07:32,020 --> 01:07:29,720
intelligence sure because I love where

1605
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:32,030
this conversation is going I was in and

1606
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:33,440
I think I've mentioned this on the

1607
01:07:38,349 --> 01:07:35,930
podcast once or twice so I'm allowed I

1608
01:07:41,530 --> 01:07:38,359
drop names every now and then - I was in

1609
01:07:44,170 --> 01:07:41,540
London last year in June and I attended

1610
01:07:45,940 --> 01:07:44,180
a lecture by Michio Kaku at the RSA

1611
01:07:47,140 --> 01:07:45,950
where he talked about his new book the

1612
01:07:49,260 --> 01:07:47,150
physics of the impossible

1613
01:07:51,309 --> 01:07:49,270
now I had a chance to ask him a question

1614
01:07:52,359 --> 01:07:51,319
because they're really Q&A afterwards

1615
01:07:54,839 --> 01:07:52,369
and lots of people had questions

1616
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,849
including somebody about cold fusion and

1617
01:07:58,990 --> 01:07:57,440
if you ever want to see one of our

1618
01:08:01,289 --> 01:07:59,000
foremost string theorists roll his eyes

1619
01:08:04,299 --> 01:08:01,299
just have somebody mentioned cold fusion

1620
01:08:06,609 --> 01:08:04,309
because he did but so then I raised my

1621
01:08:09,069 --> 01:08:06,619
hand and I asked a question and I say

1622
01:08:11,140 --> 01:08:09,079
look you've written dr. Kaku in your

1623
01:08:13,870 --> 01:08:11,150
books that there's a galactic

1624
01:08:15,370 --> 01:08:13,880
conversation going on you can start to

1625
01:08:17,229 --> 01:08:15,380
hear the Snickers I'm not kidding my

1626
01:08:18,999 --> 01:08:17,239
friend Holly Stevens is there Snickers

1627
01:08:20,829 --> 01:08:19,009
in the audience I go which implies that

1628
01:08:22,689 --> 01:08:20,839
there's obviously an extra terrestrial

1629
01:08:25,300 --> 01:08:22,699
or extraterrestrial civilizations out

1630
01:08:28,269 --> 01:08:25,310
there more Snickers you crazy UFO guy

1631
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:28,279
then and so I said well what do you

1632
01:08:32,769 --> 01:08:30,770
think the chances are of us tuning into

1633
01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:32,779
that conversation anytime soon how far

1634
01:08:36,910 --> 01:08:35,540
away are we from perhaps being able to

1635
01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:36,920
listen into that conversation and

1636
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:39,020
understand it and then there were few

1637
01:08:43,150 --> 01:08:40,370
more questions I took about six

1638
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:43,160
altogether he ignored the other five

1639
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:45,290
then I think this is relevant to how

1640
01:08:47,890 --> 01:08:46,850
people view the UFO phenomenon he

1641
01:08:49,870 --> 01:08:47,900
ignored the other five you went straight

1642
01:08:51,010 --> 01:08:49,880
to mine he said I'll answer that one

1643
01:08:54,939 --> 01:08:51,020
from the handsome young guy in the

1644
01:08:56,890 --> 01:08:54,949
Boston Red Sox cap if I've been wearing

1645
01:08:58,360 --> 01:08:56,900
a Phillies cap probably not but and he

1646
01:09:00,160 --> 01:08:58,370
went on at some length for two reasons

1647
01:09:01,959 --> 01:09:00,170
one I think it showed him ie had

1648
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:01,969
actually read his books and I don't

1649
01:09:07,090 --> 01:09:04,330
think maybe everybody their head and two

1650
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:07,100
he really seemed motivated by this that

1651
01:09:10,930 --> 01:09:08,719
this idea that there is this

1652
01:09:12,700 --> 01:09:10,940
conversation he said we'll look type 0

1653
01:09:15,550 --> 01:09:12,710
civilization where we are then type 1

1654
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:15,560
type 2 type 3 if they're in a tight tor

1655
01:09:20,559 --> 01:09:18,650
type 3 civilization they are talking at

1656
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,569
a like us and war am

1657
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:22,880
and so we would speak in the ants on the

1658
01:09:27,190 --> 01:09:24,410
sidewalk wouldn't even know we're there

1659
01:09:29,530 --> 01:09:27,200
and he said we're so far away from

1660
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:29,540
understanding that galactic conversation

1661
01:09:34,150 --> 01:09:32,690
that I can't put a timeline on it and I

1662
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:34,160
said well thank you very much dr. Kaku

1663
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,410
to me that showed two things on I know

1664
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:38,239
this kind of long-winded but one serious

1665
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:41,210
people UFO phenomenon take the concept

1666
01:09:45,220 --> 01:09:42,770
and I know he does and take the concept

1667
01:09:46,150 --> 01:09:45,230
of extraterrestrial intelligences very

1668
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,160
seriously indeed

1669
01:09:51,490 --> 01:09:49,279
but - he's also written about the idea

1670
01:09:55,510 --> 01:09:51,500
of artificial intelligence and where we

1671
01:09:57,580 --> 01:09:55,520
might be going as a species and so to

1672
01:10:00,820 --> 01:09:57,590
continue on rich with what you were

1673
01:10:02,650 --> 01:10:00,830
talking about this idea that and I find

1674
01:10:04,180 --> 01:10:02,660
this quite interesting I've got to admit

1675
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:04,190
I hadn't wrapped my mind around this

1676
01:10:09,580 --> 01:10:07,489
that if the aliens for lack of better

1677
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:09,590
term are coming here perhaps they don't

1678
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:12,440
even have a body perhaps they're flying

1679
01:10:17,830 --> 01:10:15,350
the other ships could be teeny-tiny hmm

1680
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:17,840
and they're basically computer

1681
01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:18,560
intelligence

1682
01:10:22,300 --> 01:10:20,450
you know they've uploaded themselves to

1683
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:22,310
the holodeck if you are there little

1684
01:10:26,170 --> 01:10:23,930
more than you know when you see this

1685
01:10:26,979 --> 01:10:26,180
sort of heads and the Star Trek things

1686
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:26,989
thoughts

1687
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:29,330
it's basically they've evolved to maybe

1688
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:31,250
caucus level three civilization where

1689
01:10:35,020 --> 01:10:33,290
they exist as creatures of thought who

1690
01:10:36,370 --> 01:10:35,030
knows maybe as creatures of thought they

1691
01:10:37,150 --> 01:10:36,380
can travel without the aid of ships

1692
01:10:39,790 --> 01:10:37,160
anyway

1693
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:39,800
they come here and they have to in order

1694
01:10:45,490 --> 01:10:42,410
to interact with us in order to somehow

1695
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:45,500
talk to the ants they create they use

1696
01:10:50,860 --> 01:10:48,050
the genetic materials that exist on any

1697
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:50,870
given planet to create some sort of

1698
01:10:56,830 --> 01:10:54,800
avatar for lack of a better term and one

1699
01:10:58,720 --> 01:10:56,840
that is very popular now that allows

1700
01:11:02,050 --> 01:10:58,730
them to interact with the alien species

1701
01:11:03,820 --> 01:11:02,060
do you get that might explain what we

1702
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:03,830
refer to as what a lot of people refer

1703
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:05,690
to as the alien abduction phenomenon or

1704
01:11:09,070 --> 01:11:07,130
that it might tie into cattle

1705
01:11:11,950 --> 01:11:09,080
mutilations in some way what are you

1706
01:11:14,860 --> 01:11:11,960
well I I think I think this idea that

1707
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:14,870
these aliens may have taken native DNA

1708
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:16,640
from earth I hadn't encountered this

1709
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,750
anywhere else this is just some

1710
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:19,760
speculation of my own I

1711
01:11:23,799 --> 01:11:21,920
it's certainly a possibility and and I

1712
01:11:25,689 --> 01:11:23,809
would always want to distinguish between

1713
01:11:28,029 --> 01:11:25,699
what I feel that I know and and what I

1714
01:11:29,979 --> 01:11:28,039
think things might be beside put it to

1715
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:29,989
the category of what things might be and

1716
01:11:34,689 --> 01:11:32,750
I continue to entertain it as an actual

1717
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:34,699
working hypothesis there's one pie

1718
01:11:38,589 --> 01:11:37,130
pathes the abduction phenomenon is

1719
01:11:41,649 --> 01:11:38,599
something that I think is happening I

1720
01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:41,659
don't think it's it's solely an ET

1721
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,230
derived thing I've come to feel that

1722
01:11:51,339 --> 01:11:47,840
there's an active military or blackops

1723
01:11:53,109 --> 01:11:51,349
component to this as well and I only say

1724
01:11:55,450 --> 01:11:53,119
this because I personally spoken with

1725
01:11:57,700 --> 01:11:55,460
too many individuals now too many who

1726
01:11:59,080 --> 01:11:57,710
have convinced me that they've been

1727
01:12:00,729 --> 01:11:59,090
taken by military groups and that

1728
01:12:02,379 --> 01:12:00,739
they're not they're not delusional

1729
01:12:04,959 --> 01:12:02,389
so I think that there's something that's

1730
01:12:06,250 --> 01:12:04,969
very seriously going on there I mean I

1731
01:12:07,689 --> 01:12:06,260
don't how many people I can talk to you

1732
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:07,699
before I start thinking yeah I think I

1733
01:12:12,270 --> 01:12:09,530
think it's happening I've spoken to a

1734
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:12,280
few what I think is happening is that

1735
01:12:18,759 --> 01:12:15,170
for reasons that I still don't have all

1736
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:18,769
of the answers to these nonhumans are

1737
01:12:25,149 --> 01:12:21,289
taking people now you know there's

1738
01:12:26,859 --> 01:12:25,159
appears to be a breeding aspect to it I

1739
01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:26,869
don't think it's outrageous to think

1740
01:12:32,979 --> 01:12:27,980
that they're creating some kind of

1741
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:32,989
hybrid species by crossing human DNA

1742
01:12:36,490 --> 01:12:34,190
with whatever it is they've got I think

1743
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:36,500
that's a possibility they might be

1744
01:12:41,140 --> 01:12:38,360
interested in more arcane things about

1745
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:41,150
us I've spoken to a number of people who

1746
01:12:47,740 --> 01:12:45,650
feel that they've been used for 4sy

1747
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:47,750
abilities and his psychic abilities in

1748
01:12:52,419 --> 01:12:50,329
the capacity of being with these these

1749
01:12:55,870 --> 01:12:52,429
nonhumans and also the military groups I

1750
01:12:57,339 --> 01:12:55,880
can't prove this but again it's happened

1751
01:12:59,169 --> 01:12:57,349
more than one time in my own

1752
01:13:01,180 --> 01:12:59,179
investigations I even publish any of

1753
01:13:02,500 --> 01:13:01,190
this stuff I'm still trying to wrap my

1754
01:13:04,990 --> 01:13:02,510
own head around it and figure out what

1755
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:05,000
is actually going on so in other words

1756
01:13:12,069 --> 01:13:07,250
what I've really come to wonder is if

1757
01:13:14,649 --> 01:13:12,079
there's a kind of covert cold war as it

1758
01:13:17,490 --> 01:13:14,659
were and it's that's happening below the

1759
01:13:20,830 --> 01:13:17,500
surface of our official official truths

1760
01:13:23,919 --> 01:13:20,840
that has to do with the national

1761
01:13:25,660 --> 01:13:23,929
security apparatus is this very very

1762
01:13:27,549 --> 01:13:25,670
secretive and I think very advanced

1763
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:27,559
component of our own civilization I've

1764
01:13:30,229 --> 01:13:28,730
come to call them a breakaway

1765
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:30,239
civilization in fact

1766
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:32,610
and these nonhumans let's call them

1767
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:34,320
extraterrestrials out of convenience but

1768
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:37,020
maybe there's something else I just want

1769
01:13:41,780 --> 01:13:39,360
to go to the para cast forms here for a

1770
01:13:43,490 --> 01:13:41,790
second because it's always good to get

1771
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:43,500
back to the community to give so much to

1772
01:13:49,370 --> 01:13:47,070
us and I say that slightly

1773
01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:49,380
tongue-in-cheek today there's a guy

1774
01:13:52,370 --> 01:13:50,760
named Ron Collins is one of the

1775
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:52,380
moderators and we have a thread that

1776
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:53,580
says you know questions for Richard

1777
01:13:59,420 --> 01:13:57,210
Dolan and so this is kind of taking a

1778
01:14:02,180 --> 01:13:59,430
left turn here but he asked two things

1779
01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:02,190
he says first of all did Ike Eisenhower

1780
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:04,590
obviously meet with aliens and I'm sure

1781
01:14:08,090 --> 01:14:06,090
you're aware of the story about

1782
01:14:11,780 --> 01:14:08,100
Eisenhower having a meeting with aliens

1783
01:14:14,020 --> 01:14:11,790
so that and - do you believe or do you

1784
01:14:16,970 --> 01:14:14,030
think that quote quote men in black

1785
01:14:18,620 --> 01:14:16,980
exist and if so who are they and what

1786
01:14:20,750 --> 01:14:18,630
are they up to so maybe we could talk

1787
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:20,760
briefly about the supposed meeting

1788
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,230
between Ike and a Lian's

1789
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:24,719
let's let this up Paul so you'll answer

1790
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:26,460
the first part this section and then the

1791
01:14:31,790 --> 01:14:28,410
next segment we'll go to the second part

1792
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:31,800
I shower in aliens first thing yeah well

1793
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:35,280
I I think it may well have happened I

1794
01:14:40,310 --> 01:14:37,680
will say that the rumor of Ike meeting

1795
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:40,320
with aliens came out within a month of

1796
01:14:45,979 --> 01:14:42,690
when it supposedly occurred it appeared

1797
01:14:49,180 --> 01:14:45,989
on the Frank Edwards radio show in I

1798
01:14:53,270 --> 01:14:49,190
think late February possibly early March

1799
01:14:55,970 --> 01:14:53,280
1954 someone leaked something to the

1800
01:14:59,920 --> 01:14:55,980
radios Frank Edwards who's the art bell

1801
01:15:05,180 --> 01:14:59,930
before the Mozart Bell back in the 50s I

1802
01:15:06,740 --> 01:15:05,190
didn't really take that story super

1803
01:15:08,390 --> 01:15:06,750
seriously for a while I still don't take

1804
01:15:11,979 --> 01:15:08,400
it completely seriously but I think it's

1805
01:15:14,150 --> 01:15:11,989
possible there had been a couple of

1806
01:15:15,979 --> 01:15:14,160
sources that have alleged this has

1807
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:15,989
happened I have not come across anything

1808
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:18,570
that definitively refutes them and so

1809
01:15:21,860 --> 01:15:19,650
I'm willing to consider it as a

1810
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:21,870
possibility I don't see it as a logical

1811
01:15:26,900 --> 01:15:24,480
either to be honest with you if there's

1812
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:26,910
another intelligence that's here having

1813
01:15:30,290 --> 01:15:28,410
a covert meeting with the US president

1814
01:15:32,750 --> 01:15:30,300
doesn't strike me as an outrageous thing

1815
01:15:34,129 --> 01:15:32,760
to consider we're talking with Richard

1816
01:15:35,779 --> 01:15:34,139
Dolan

1817
01:15:38,629 --> 01:15:35,789
topic of course was whether President

1818
01:15:41,299 --> 01:15:38,639
Eisenhower met up with et our co-hosts

1819
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:41,309
appall Kimball Nicholas Redfern I'm Jean

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Steinberger in the power cast is there a

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secret UFO agenda the strange creatures

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01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,829
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1884
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1885
01:18:34,009 --> 01:18:31,289
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1886
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1887
01:18:38,060 --> 01:18:36,149
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1888
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:38,070
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1889
01:18:43,729 --> 01:18:40,050
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1890
01:18:47,060 --> 01:18:43,739
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1891
01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:47,070
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1892
01:18:53,719 --> 01:18:51,090
four no tax thousands of Americans are

1893
01:18:54,529 --> 01:18:53,729
facing evacuation if you are any of your

1894
01:18:56,899 --> 01:18:54,539
loved ones

1895
01:18:57,589 --> 01:18:56,909
might need to evacuate you must do it

1896
01:18:59,599 --> 01:18:57,599
yourselves

1897
01:19:01,339 --> 01:18:59,609
please don't procrastinate until they do

1898
01:19:03,259 --> 01:19:01,349
it for you remember the terrible

1899
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:03,269
conditions of those that didn't get out

1900
01:19:10,219 --> 01:19:05,459
for Katrina go right now to effuse

1901
01:19:13,579 --> 01:19:10,229
direct comm / Alex or call 849 five six

1902
01:19:16,069 --> 01:19:13,589
33 for information on the new evacuation

1903
01:19:18,079 --> 01:19:16,079
pact it contains two weeks of delicious

1904
01:19:20,359 --> 01:19:18,089
easy to fix food along with the

1905
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:20,369
equipment to prepare it it's packed in a

1906
01:19:25,039 --> 01:19:22,530
rugged heavy-duty tote for transport

1907
01:19:27,349 --> 01:19:25,049
evacuations are looming with the storms

1908
01:19:29,299 --> 01:19:27,359
and the Gulf oil catastrophe no matter

1909
01:19:32,509 --> 01:19:29,309
where you live wildfires earthquakes

1910
01:19:34,039 --> 01:19:32,519
floods and storms must be escaped don't

1911
01:19:36,619 --> 01:19:34,049
be like a dear frozen in the headlights

1912
01:19:38,929 --> 01:19:36,629
of oncoming disaster at least prepare

1913
01:19:43,069 --> 01:19:38,939
yourself with this two-week evacuation

1914
01:19:45,770 --> 01:19:43,079
pact from a food Stratcom call 849 five

1915
01:19:52,520 --> 01:19:45,780
six three three on the web use direct

1916
01:19:55,069 --> 01:19:52,530
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1917
01:19:55,969 --> 01:19:55,079
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1918
01:20:02,899 --> 01:19:55,979
over a decade

1919
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:02,909
we are the GC and radio network you're

1920
01:20:14,839 --> 01:20:11,010
in the para cast never know next our

1921
01:20:17,839 --> 01:20:14,849
co-host is Nick Redfern Paul Kimbo our

1922
01:20:20,179 --> 01:20:17,849
guests is Richard Dolan I'm Jean

1923
01:20:22,129 --> 01:20:20,189
Steinberger in the power cast and we

1924
01:20:24,589 --> 01:20:22,139
ended up the previous segment with

1925
01:20:27,169 --> 01:20:24,599
speculation as to whether Eisenhower

1926
01:20:29,629 --> 01:20:27,179
ever met up with et so where do those

1927
01:20:31,309 --> 01:20:29,639
rumors come from anyway well I don't

1928
01:20:33,829 --> 01:20:31,319
know how the rumor reached Frank Edwards

1929
01:20:35,179 --> 01:20:33,839
I'm not sure if anyone knows that this

1930
01:20:36,849 --> 01:20:35,189
is I'm trying to pull this off the top

1931
01:20:39,589 --> 01:20:36,859
of my head and I think I'm failing here

1932
01:20:42,289 --> 01:20:39,599
there's a series of there's a letter

1933
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:42,299
written by a gentleman supposedly named

1934
01:20:49,609 --> 01:20:44,699
Gerald light I recall reading that

1935
01:20:52,099 --> 01:20:49,619
thinking this described his vantage

1936
01:20:53,629 --> 01:20:52,109
point of what supposedly happened

1937
01:20:56,809 --> 01:20:53,639
between the meeting with Eisenhower and

1938
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:56,819
ETS in February 1954 this supposedly

1939
01:21:01,129 --> 01:20:59,760
happened at Edwards Air Force Base there

1940
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:01,139
was another gentleman his name is

1941
01:21:05,660 --> 01:21:02,250
escaping me but I actually

1942
01:21:07,930 --> 01:21:05,670
met him he spoke at one of Steve Bassets

1943
01:21:10,750 --> 01:21:07,940
ex conferences a couple of years ago

1944
01:21:15,770 --> 01:21:10,760
elderly gentleman who said that he was

1945
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:15,780
at Edwards in 1954 he didn't meet with

1946
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,420
eisenhower and even made many aliens but

1947
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:21,120
he was at Edwards at that time and made

1948
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:23,040
a case of the fact that this did happen

1949
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:25,950
so I'm again I'm at the point where I'm

1950
01:21:29,660 --> 01:21:28,230
thinking it it's certainly possibility

1951
01:21:32,330 --> 01:21:29,670
and trying to nail it down is something

1952
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:32,340
that I don't know how I would nail that

1953
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:34,170
one down at this point the other

1954
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,090
question was what do I think of the men

1955
01:21:41,900 --> 01:21:38,880
in black I guess I would answer that two

1956
01:21:43,730 --> 01:21:41,910
ways certainly a lot of that the alleged

1957
01:21:46,490 --> 01:21:43,740
stories of the men in black I've turned

1958
01:21:49,790 --> 01:21:46,500
out to be either you know non credible

1959
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:49,800
or probably just fraudulent there was

1960
01:21:54,980 --> 01:21:52,890
very recently a I think a very good

1961
01:21:57,470 --> 01:21:54,990
analysis of the Mauri Island incident

1962
01:22:00,200 --> 01:21:57,480
from 1947 that involvement in blackness

1963
01:22:01,610 --> 01:22:00,210
by Tony boo Galia who I think did an

1964
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:01,620
excellent job showing at the Maury

1965
01:22:08,030 --> 01:22:03,360
Island incident was very probably a hoax

1966
01:22:09,470 --> 01:22:08,040
I think that could well be and you know

1967
01:22:11,900 --> 01:22:09,480
that being said the men in black

1968
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:11,910
incident associated with Maury Alamos

1969
01:22:18,350 --> 01:22:15,360
would be the hoax as well men in black

1970
01:22:20,380 --> 01:22:18,360
were associated with a the researcher in

1971
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:20,390
the 50s got great Barker wrote about him

1972
01:22:25,450 --> 01:22:23,730
Albert King Alfred bender thank you guys

1973
01:22:28,490 --> 01:22:25,460
see some people think I'm actually

1974
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:28,500
sinaia that all I ever say is UFOs

1975
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:30,290
appear to make us think think thing

1976
01:22:35,480 --> 01:22:32,810
that's not true I resemble that remark

1977
01:22:36,860 --> 01:22:35,490
genius like a specialist relief picture

1978
01:22:38,540 --> 01:22:36,870
you just bring him in when you have a

1979
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,550
great Barker question or something for

1980
01:22:43,220 --> 01:22:40,560
them we need to strike out gene

1981
01:22:45,650 --> 01:22:43,230
come on in for the bull pen yeah thank

1982
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:45,660
you Dave yeah I also control the stop

1983
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:49,290
button so I have other authorities me he

1984
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:50,640
was another one who talked about an

1985
01:22:54,710 --> 01:22:51,930
encounter with the so-called men in

1986
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:54,720
black and it seems very dubious if that

1987
01:22:58,250 --> 01:22:56,940
happened with him who knows there is

1988
01:23:00,680 --> 01:22:58,260
some other men in black stories that I

1989
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:00,690
think are a little more credible there's

1990
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:02,400
one concerning a Mexican witness from

1991
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:06,330
the mid-1970s I personally think seems

1992
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:09,930
to have happened I've again spoken this

1993
01:23:14,010 --> 01:23:12,420
is speaking personally to two

1994
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:14,020
individuals

1995
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:16,690
who described what I think anyone would

1996
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:18,250
would say would be a men and black type

1997
01:23:22,860 --> 01:23:20,770
of encounter so I think that they they

1998
01:23:25,530 --> 01:23:22,870
may well be certainly look there's a lot

1999
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,540
of government you know black suited goes

2000
01:23:30,660 --> 01:23:27,280
out there who might be trying to

2001
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:30,670
intimidate witnesses of various types in

2002
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:32,410
fact we know for sure that that

2003
01:23:36,570 --> 01:23:34,050
government agents have from time to time

2004
01:23:40,350 --> 01:23:36,580
interviewed UFO researchers is one from

2005
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:40,360
the late 1970s Robert Todd who was one

2006
01:23:46,260 --> 01:23:42,570
of the early freedom of information

2007
01:23:48,510 --> 01:23:46,270
researchers did receive a visit from the

2008
01:23:50,580 --> 01:23:48,520
FBI they came in and was living room to

2009
01:23:53,220 --> 01:23:50,590
ask him about where I think it might be

2010
01:23:56,010 --> 01:23:53,230
the NSA to ask him about a document that

2011
01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:56,020
he found a relation to an NSA monitoring

2012
01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:00,030
of a UFO event over Cuba in the 1960s so

2013
01:24:03,660 --> 01:24:02,740
yeah I mean it could happen I guess I

2014
01:24:05,670 --> 01:24:03,670
would just leave it at that

2015
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:05,680
you ever think possibly that some of

2016
01:24:09,270 --> 01:24:07,210
these men and black things are really

2017
01:24:11,490 --> 01:24:09,280
done by civilians who just was stir up

2018
01:24:13,470 --> 01:24:11,500
the pot it has in fun to me we know like

2019
01:24:14,730 --> 01:24:13,480
people like gray Barker and Jim Mosely

2020
01:24:16,500 --> 01:24:14,740
years past

2021
01:24:18,900 --> 01:24:16,510
played a few pranks they can't be the

2022
01:24:20,820 --> 01:24:18,910
only pranksters on the planet now it

2023
01:24:24,120 --> 01:24:20,830
could happen certainly the Barker

2024
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,130
stories I wouldn't take seriously you

2025
01:24:28,440 --> 01:24:26,560
know and and we know actually just

2026
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:28,450
coming off at the top of my head here

2027
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:31,090
researcher William Moore back when he

2028
01:24:36,210 --> 01:24:34,090
was gone full guns in the 1980s did have

2029
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:36,220
kind of apparently some kind of phony

2030
01:24:41,820 --> 01:24:38,770
government identification that he showed

2031
01:24:45,860 --> 01:24:41,830
another researcher showing that he was

2032
01:24:49,230 --> 01:24:45,870
supposedly with some defense group that

2033
01:24:51,330 --> 01:24:49,240
he didn't seem to have I recounted that

2034
01:24:54,780 --> 01:24:51,340
in my in the second volume of my book in

2035
01:24:58,620 --> 01:24:54,790
fact so yeah people could be just lying

2036
01:25:01,380 --> 01:24:58,630
a lot of that too much in the field but

2037
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:01,390
you ever think also that maybe there are

2038
01:25:07,020 --> 01:25:04,330
these intelligence types who are getting

2039
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:07,030
involved overtly in the UFO field just

2040
01:25:11,490 --> 01:25:09,730
to stir the pot up even further oh yeah

2041
01:25:13,220 --> 01:25:11,500
in fact I'm glad you brought that up

2042
01:25:16,770 --> 01:25:13,230
again because this is something that I

2043
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:16,780
meant to discuss earlier and it's it is

2044
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:19,600
one of the theses of my latest book I

2045
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:21,970
suppose which is that what happened by

2046
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:25,120
the late 1970s is that it least it seems

2047
01:25:30,630 --> 01:25:27,370
to me that there is a two-pronged

2048
01:25:32,490 --> 01:25:30,640
salt on the Citadel of secrecy all right

2049
01:25:35,490 --> 01:25:32,500
one of those prongs was the Freedom of

2050
01:25:37,500 --> 01:25:35,500
Information Act which let's remind

2051
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:37,510
ourselves back in the early 70s and 60s

2052
01:25:42,830 --> 01:25:39,970
and before was really an unforeseen

2053
01:25:45,390 --> 01:25:42,840
development there were a lot of

2054
01:25:47,310 --> 01:25:45,400
classified documents pertaining to UFOs

2055
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:47,320
that the originators of those documents

2056
01:25:52,530 --> 01:25:49,870
had no expectation ever that these

2057
01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:52,540
documents would see the light of day and

2058
01:25:58,340 --> 01:25:55,750
yet by the late 70s they were now those

2059
01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:58,350
documents were sort of mid range

2060
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:00,610
classification they weren't you know the

2061
01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,200
ones that were top-secret all blacked

2062
01:26:06,180 --> 01:26:04,480
out or whited out the ones that were

2063
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:06,190
released were secret and confidential

2064
01:26:10,740 --> 01:26:08,530
and restricted these are lower levels

2065
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:10,750
nonetheless they were important a lot of

2066
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:12,850
them are very very compelling documents

2067
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:16,030
and so that was one fear I believe that

2068
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:17,770
you shake the tree hard and often

2069
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:19,840
something important trillion fallout and

2070
01:26:23,750 --> 01:26:20,890
then you're gonna have a hell of a time

2071
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:23,760
trying to explain it the other prong on

2072
01:26:29,220 --> 01:26:26,560
against secrecy I think where this

2073
01:26:32,250 --> 01:26:29,230
story's pertaining to crash retrievals

2074
01:26:34,140 --> 01:26:32,260
of UFOs sightings of dead alien bodies

2075
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:34,150
that were you know in storage and so

2076
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:36,610
forth and by the late 1970s there were

2077
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:38,530
quite a few of these that were making

2078
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:40,330
the rounds a lot of them were coming to

2079
01:26:45,060 --> 01:26:42,000
the UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield

2080
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,070
who was collecting dozens and then

2081
01:26:49,170 --> 01:26:47,440
scores of these stories some were

2082
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:49,180
investigated pretty well others not so

2083
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:52,870
much but it certainly could look to you

2084
01:26:56,190 --> 01:26:54,610
know if we were the secret group and we

2085
01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:56,200
were we were trying to keep all this

2086
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,270
together we might be really concerned

2087
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:01,360
that at some point he's going to really

2088
01:27:06,660 --> 01:27:03,250
hit a home run here with either a crash

2089
01:27:08,490 --> 01:27:06,670
retrieval story or someone's going to

2090
01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:08,500
shake the tree hard enough with the

2091
01:27:12,150 --> 01:27:09,820
documents and get something important

2092
01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:12,160
out of that way and so what it looks to

2093
01:27:20,550 --> 01:27:17,800
me happened circa 1980 or 1919 80s is

2094
01:27:23,700 --> 01:27:20,560
that there was in fact a sort of

2095
01:27:27,020 --> 01:27:23,710
counter-attack against the UFO research

2096
01:27:30,270 --> 01:27:27,030
community by the intelligence community

2097
01:27:33,690 --> 01:27:30,280
part of this took the form of Richard

2098
01:27:35,700 --> 01:27:33,700
Doty who was an intelligence officer at

2099
01:27:38,430 --> 01:27:35,710
Kirtland Air Force Base Office of

2100
01:27:40,569 --> 01:27:38,440
Special Investigations a lot of people

2101
01:27:45,399 --> 01:27:40,579
know about Richard Doty he was in

2102
01:27:49,509 --> 01:27:45,409
in doctoring documents he was involved

2103
01:27:51,159 --> 01:27:49,519
in trying to pass off information to the

2104
01:27:54,819 --> 01:27:51,169
researcher Linda Moulton Howe back in

2105
01:27:58,959 --> 01:27:54,829
1983 and then a year and a half later I

2106
01:28:01,560 --> 01:27:58,969
was told point blank by Timothy good was

2107
01:28:07,239 --> 01:28:01,570
involved in passing the mj-12 documents

2108
01:28:09,339 --> 01:28:07,249
to Timothy good after Bill Moore had

2109
01:28:11,739 --> 01:28:09,349
refused to do anything about them in

2110
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:11,749
other words DoDEA's group was trying to

2111
01:28:17,049 --> 01:28:14,209
push the mj-12 documents out to the

2112
01:28:18,669 --> 01:28:17,059
public in one form or another first by

2113
01:28:20,649 --> 01:28:18,679
showing Linda Moulton Howe and seeing if

2114
01:28:24,129 --> 01:28:20,659
she would take the bait and she didn't

2115
01:28:25,689 --> 01:28:24,139
actually than 18 months 19 months later

2116
01:28:29,259 --> 01:28:25,699
in a different form gives these

2117
01:28:33,209 --> 01:28:29,269
documents to two more and Jani SH and

2118
01:28:36,489 --> 01:28:33,219
Ray and then over a year two years later

2119
01:28:40,899 --> 01:28:36,499
no three three plus years later gets

2120
01:28:42,639 --> 01:28:40,909
them to Timothy good in early 1987 so

2121
01:28:45,069 --> 01:28:42,649
yeah I mean there's there's an attempt

2122
01:28:48,729 --> 01:28:45,079
here by at least this intelligence group

2123
01:28:51,099 --> 01:28:48,739
to get these documents out and what have

2124
01:28:55,060 --> 01:28:51,109
the mj-12 documents done well since

2125
01:28:58,839 --> 01:28:55,070
since they have appeared 25 years ago

2126
01:29:02,109 --> 01:28:58,849
the UFO research community has been

2127
01:29:04,689 --> 01:29:02,119
spinning its wheels arguing about these

2128
01:29:07,389 --> 01:29:04,699
documents you've got people to believe

2129
01:29:08,739 --> 01:29:07,399
that they are legitimate you've got

2130
01:29:10,899 --> 01:29:08,749
people believe that they're completely

2131
01:29:13,389 --> 01:29:10,909
hoaxed documents completely fraudulent

2132
01:29:14,859 --> 01:29:13,399
you got people like myself who actually

2133
01:29:16,779 --> 01:29:14,869
think that there's some there's

2134
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,789
something in between here well we'll

2135
01:29:21,310 --> 01:29:18,800
look at the between and the Dean Twix

2136
01:29:23,379 --> 01:29:21,320
and all that stuff soon Richard Dolan is

2137
01:29:26,020 --> 01:29:23,389
joining us on the power cast this week

2138
01:29:27,939 --> 01:29:26,030
we also have our special co-hosts always

2139
01:29:28,569 --> 01:29:27,949
special because they're experts in their

2140
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:28,579
fields

2141
01:29:34,599 --> 01:29:31,249
Paul Kimball and Nick Redfern a reminder

2142
01:29:37,060 --> 01:29:34,609
go to the podcast calm the podcast calm

2143
01:29:46,690 --> 01:29:37,070
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2145
01:29:55,569 --> 01:29:52,880
Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran burned

2146
01:29:57,839 --> 01:29:55,579
out from the Gulf War lives tortured by

2147
01:30:00,220 --> 01:29:57,849
relentless perplexing nightmares

2148
01:30:02,169 --> 01:30:00,230
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acidic water which burns holes in your

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like bacteria viruses or cancer cannot

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searching for great talk-radio

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and i think

2252
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really does make a difference we are the

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GC and radio networks hi this is Don

2254
01:34:06,660 --> 01:34:04,360
Ecker and you are tuned into the para

2255
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cast let me tell you what you're gonna

2256
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hear stuff here that you probably won't

2257
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hear anywhere else hear that George

2258
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snoring you're in the para cast our

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co-host or Nick Redfern Paul Kimball our

2260
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special guest is Richard Dolan I'm gene

2261
01:34:26,069 --> 01:34:23,800
Steinberg Nick you have to be champion

2262
01:34:28,020 --> 01:34:26,079
in a bit at this point you've done a lot

2263
01:34:29,819 --> 01:34:28,030
of studies of government involvement in

2264
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:29,829
UFOs what do you have to say for

2265
01:34:33,089 --> 01:34:31,690
yourself well you know I mean one of the

2266
01:34:35,069 --> 01:34:33,099
things that's sort of occurred to me

2267
01:34:37,259 --> 01:34:35,079
well which is been commenting on you

2268
01:34:38,910 --> 01:34:37,269
know what we know and government

2269
01:34:42,959 --> 01:34:38,920
agencies and certain players in the

2270
01:34:44,939 --> 01:34:42,969
field you know disinformation etc it

2271
01:34:47,160 --> 01:34:44,949
really sort of hits home the fact that

2272
01:34:49,109 --> 01:34:47,170
we know something's going on but we're

2273
01:34:52,169 --> 01:34:49,119
not really sure of the full picture and

2274
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:52,179
I just wonder how rich feels if you know

2275
01:34:55,799 --> 01:34:54,010
if the UFO community plays a role in

2276
01:34:57,680 --> 01:34:55,809
getting the full story out one day and

2277
01:35:00,479 --> 01:34:57,690
we get beyond this Hall of Mirrors

2278
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:00,489
manipulation angle and it's not all good

2279
01:35:03,870 --> 01:35:02,050
news I mean do you think the UFO

2280
01:35:06,299 --> 01:35:03,880
research community is going to be seen

2281
01:35:07,020 --> 01:35:06,309
as heroes or are we going to viewed as

2282
01:35:08,370 --> 01:35:07,030
people ooh

2283
01:35:10,169 --> 01:35:08,380
it would have been better if you just

2284
01:35:13,049 --> 01:35:10,179
left it all alone and it stayed in the

2285
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:13,059
in the darkness I ask myself that a lot

2286
01:35:18,029 --> 01:35:14,920
and I think we'll probably have both

2287
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:18,039
types of responses frankly I do think

2288
01:35:23,580 --> 01:35:20,650
that there's very possibly very probably

2289
01:35:27,060 --> 01:35:23,590
a dark element to the truth about this I

2290
01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:27,070
don't think it's all you know advanced

2291
01:35:30,989 --> 01:35:29,530
space brothers in the Galactic

2292
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:30,999
Federation are trying to bring us to the

2293
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next density of consciousness or

2294
01:35:37,080 --> 01:35:35,019
whatever I think that there's there are

2295
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:37,090
other intelligences that have agendas

2296
01:35:44,669 --> 01:35:42,010
and that these agendas may not all be in

2297
01:35:45,779 --> 01:35:44,679
line with our own best interests so I

2298
01:35:48,989 --> 01:35:45,789
think in other words we have to be

2299
01:35:51,359 --> 01:35:48,999
careful and so you know let's let's

2300
01:35:54,229 --> 01:35:51,369
imagine that we we're in the know and

2301
01:35:56,939 --> 01:35:54,239
we're faced with a situation where these

2302
01:35:59,069 --> 01:35:56,949
entities are so far beyond us and

2303
01:36:01,719 --> 01:35:59,079
they're just doing their thing and we

2304
01:36:04,919 --> 01:36:01,729
have no ability to stop them

2305
01:36:07,060 --> 01:36:04,929
so what would be the use right in and

2306
01:36:09,129 --> 01:36:07,070
dredging up the truth and causing

2307
01:36:12,910 --> 01:36:09,139
everyone to panic and you could argue

2308
01:36:15,509 --> 01:36:12,920
that my attitude is you know you can you

2309
01:36:18,069 --> 01:36:15,519
can live in a world that's built on

2310
01:36:19,930 --> 01:36:18,079
fundamental lies where you can build

2311
01:36:23,169 --> 01:36:19,940
live in a world that's that's grounded

2312
01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:23,179
in some fundamental truths and for

2313
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:27,199
myself I prefer to to try to find truth

2314
01:36:34,719 --> 01:36:32,289
I also think that most of us want truth

2315
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:34,729
even if even if it's kind of a difficult

2316
01:36:40,089 --> 01:36:37,340
thing for us to handle at first just

2317
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:40,099
like every child growing up has to learn

2318
01:36:44,649 --> 01:36:42,650
some very difficult and unpleasant

2319
01:36:49,060 --> 01:36:44,659
truths about the world around us I think

2320
01:36:51,879 --> 01:36:49,070
that so too I think us as adults often

2321
01:36:54,339 --> 01:36:51,889
have to do the same thing I would rather

2322
01:36:56,350 --> 01:36:54,349
know the truth and I also think we're

2323
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getting to a point in our society where

2324
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our technological capabilities might be

2325
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:02,479
more formidable than we give ourselves

2326
01:37:08,229 --> 01:37:05,840
credit for being it is possible that

2327
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:08,239
like Mishu kaku's theory you know we're

2328
01:37:13,029 --> 01:37:10,729
like ants compared to them but it's also

2329
01:37:15,609 --> 01:37:13,039
possible that progress doesn't go like

2330
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that it's possible that it goes in leaps

2331
01:37:21,790 --> 01:37:19,880
if as I think and many of us think we're

2332
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,800
moving into an age of artificial

2333
01:37:25,060 --> 01:37:23,360
intelligence that's very very advanced

2334
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:25,070
we're also moving into an age

2335
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:26,690
possibility of something like quantum

2336
01:37:32,290 --> 01:37:29,119
computing an age of very very advanced

2337
01:37:34,750 --> 01:37:32,300
nanotech as well as biotech revolutions

2338
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:34,760
and so on in other words we are on the

2339
01:37:39,069 --> 01:37:36,650
verge of reinventing our species and

2340
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:39,079
that's not necessarily an incremental

2341
01:37:45,370 --> 01:37:42,050
change we might be taking a kind of leap

2342
01:37:46,750 --> 01:37:45,380
into their world maybe not as equals but

2343
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:46,760
maybe to the point where we might be a

2344
01:37:54,819 --> 01:37:49,010
real pain in the neck to them and so I

2345
01:37:57,580 --> 01:37:54,829
don't think we need to be so careful

2346
01:37:59,739 --> 01:37:57,590
with the truth I think that we and the

2347
01:38:01,600 --> 01:37:59,749
other thing is that we as a species as

2348
01:38:03,729 --> 01:38:01,610
our nature I don't think we can help but

2349
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:03,739
try to seek the truth and so that's just

2350
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:05,449
what we are that's what I am and that's

2351
01:38:11,979 --> 01:38:08,090
what you guys are too so whether it's a

2352
01:38:15,169 --> 01:38:11,989
good or bad thing I have I have faith in

2353
01:38:18,859 --> 01:38:15,179
a couple of things one of them is truth

2354
01:38:20,870 --> 01:38:18,869
that isn't necessarily grounded in

2355
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:20,880
reality but I believe that truth is is

2356
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:23,010
the best way to go it's about like a

2357
01:38:27,979 --> 01:38:26,159
sudden kind of a totally totally

2358
01:38:30,529 --> 01:38:27,989
different question but it's it's

2359
01:38:32,299 --> 01:38:30,539
something that crops up with me several

2360
01:38:34,489 --> 01:38:32,309
times where people I see well how weak

2361
01:38:36,049 --> 01:38:34,499
how do we get the answers I mean you

2362
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:36,059
know what do you feel about regardless

2363
01:38:41,209 --> 01:38:38,639
of what they found or didn't find what

2364
01:38:43,100 --> 01:38:41,219
do you feel about people who I guess are

2365
01:38:44,660 --> 01:38:43,110
kind of frustrated by the official

2366
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:44,670
stance and they kind of build the

2367
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:46,800
backdoor route people like gary mckinnon

2368
01:38:52,399 --> 01:38:49,530
i mean is the motivation or is the

2369
01:38:55,939 --> 01:38:52,409
answer worth the motivation I guess

2370
01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:55,949
legally and morally or you know are they

2371
01:39:00,080 --> 01:38:57,449
just ask you for trouble and they

2372
01:39:02,689 --> 01:39:00,090
deserve what they get well mckennon's

2373
01:39:04,729 --> 01:39:02,699
has had the last you know eight years of

2374
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:04,739
his life basically shot to hell over

2375
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:08,010
what's gone on here's a guy who believed

2376
01:39:13,069 --> 01:39:11,010
that he found evidence at the effing US

2377
01:39:15,709 --> 01:39:13,079
Space Command website for kind of extra

2378
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:15,719
space program so your space program I've

2379
01:39:20,959 --> 01:39:17,280
read his statement I think that he

2380
01:39:22,489 --> 01:39:20,969
probably did but we can't prove it he

2381
01:39:24,529 --> 01:39:22,499
was smoking on our wheat at the time so

2382
01:39:28,879 --> 01:39:24,539
there goes that but I think he probably

2383
01:39:30,560 --> 01:39:28,889
did um no I think I think the attack

2384
01:39:32,810 --> 01:39:30,570
against him by the US government is all

2385
01:39:35,989 --> 01:39:32,820
out of proportion to what he actually

2386
01:39:37,549 --> 01:39:35,999
did he would even even hack it's really

2387
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:37,559
a mistake to describe him as a hacker

2388
01:39:40,669 --> 01:39:39,329
he's more accurately some guy which is

2389
01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:40,679
standing at the door waiting for it to

2390
01:39:46,850 --> 01:39:45,179
be open and seeing what he could see you

2391
01:39:48,859 --> 01:39:46,860
know one of the ironies I've one of the

2392
01:39:51,259 --> 01:39:48,869
funny things a crazy things about the

2393
01:39:53,719 --> 01:39:51,269
McKinnon case is that you know the

2394
01:39:56,509 --> 01:39:53,729
initial reportage on this all was

2395
01:39:58,399 --> 01:39:56,519
heavily UFO centered and when you read

2396
01:40:00,589 --> 01:39:58,409
MacKinnon stories now the UFO part

2397
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:00,599
almost never even appears if it does

2398
01:40:04,429 --> 01:40:02,159
it's at the very bottom of the story

2399
01:40:06,589 --> 01:40:04,439
it's almost been expunged from all the

2400
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:06,599
coverage of the McKinnon case which I

2401
01:40:09,819 --> 01:40:08,400
find very interesting but the other

2402
01:40:13,250 --> 01:40:09,829
thing is that if the US government

2403
01:40:16,279 --> 01:40:13,260
denied that there's any anything to do

2404
01:40:20,540 --> 01:40:16,289
with UFO phenomenon then why the hell

2405
01:40:22,609 --> 01:40:20,550
are they on him like flies why are they

2406
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:22,619
after him the way that they are I think

2407
01:40:27,819 --> 01:40:26,159
it's would we want to believe that he

2408
01:40:29,259 --> 01:40:27,829
did find something then and then

2409
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:29,269
found probably what he says he found

2410
01:40:35,409 --> 01:40:31,760
evidence of the US Space Command covert

2411
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:35,419
space program so is it worth it for him

2412
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:36,800
well you'd have to ask him that question

2413
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:41,570
I don't know you know it there's a lot

2414
01:40:45,569 --> 01:40:43,249
of personal sacrifice with a lot of

2415
01:40:48,399 --> 01:40:45,579
individuals who are in this field who

2416
01:40:50,619 --> 01:40:48,409
really try to dedicate themselves to the

2417
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:50,629
truth and I know towns idealistic but

2418
01:40:54,209 --> 01:40:52,010
that's how it is and that's how a lot of

2419
01:40:57,609 --> 01:40:54,219
people see it and there is sacrifice

2420
01:41:00,369 --> 01:40:57,619
involved many people who are researching

2421
01:41:03,089 --> 01:41:00,379
this field could probably certainly make

2422
01:41:05,889 --> 01:41:03,099
better money doing a lot of other things

2423
01:41:08,739 --> 01:41:05,899
I'd like to think that I could and yet

2424
01:41:12,849 --> 01:41:08,749
here I have thrown myself on the altar

2425
01:41:14,770 --> 01:41:12,859
of UFO research and I'm staying here and

2426
01:41:18,069 --> 01:41:14,780
you don't think that maybe you know what

2427
01:41:20,290 --> 01:41:18,079
folks why did I do this I can't be that

2428
01:41:23,379 --> 01:41:20,300
crazy I should just get out of that and

2429
01:41:25,779 --> 01:41:23,389
do a regular job you know it was funny

2430
01:41:27,399 --> 01:41:25,789
after all all these years and it's it is

2431
01:41:29,529 --> 01:41:27,409
difficult and every time I write a book

2432
01:41:31,929 --> 01:41:29,539
it takes so much out of me physically

2433
01:41:34,479 --> 01:41:31,939
and mentally but I've never been at the

2434
01:41:35,829 --> 01:41:34,489
point where I've regretted the research

2435
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,839
that I do I've never been at the point

2436
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:37,760
where I regretted this turn down the

2437
01:41:43,689 --> 01:41:40,070
road that I've gone I have often

2438
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:43,699
wondered you know should I have finished

2439
01:41:47,139 --> 01:41:46,010
with the PhD that I was working on a

2440
01:41:50,619 --> 01:41:47,149
road over hundred pages of a

2441
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:50,629
dissertation and just gotten a job in

2442
01:41:54,819 --> 01:41:52,010
academia would have been an easier life

2443
01:41:57,250 --> 01:41:54,829
in a lot of ways but I'm actually glad

2444
01:41:59,439 --> 01:41:57,260
that I've done what I what I have I have

2445
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:59,449
to live a little bit more more by flying

2446
01:42:03,399 --> 01:42:00,800
by the seat of my pants because I don't

2447
01:42:05,409 --> 01:42:03,409
know I don't have the kind of security

2448
01:42:07,689 --> 01:42:05,419
that a tenured professor has obviously

2449
01:42:10,989 --> 01:42:07,699
but I'm just doing what I do because I

2450
01:42:12,459 --> 01:42:10,999
think that I'm driven to do it and I've

2451
01:42:14,199 --> 01:42:12,469
come to accept that and I'm fine with it

2452
01:42:16,029 --> 01:42:14,209
Nick you have a follow-up to your

2453
01:42:18,069 --> 01:42:16,039
previous line of questioning well

2454
01:42:20,079 --> 01:42:18,079
basically I mean which kind of answered

2455
01:42:22,329 --> 01:42:20,089
that question for me I guess you know

2456
01:42:24,339 --> 01:42:22,339
where I come from is more the

2457
01:42:25,719 --> 01:42:24,349
perspective of yeah we've got great

2458
01:42:28,359 --> 01:42:25,729
information we've got intriguing

2459
01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:28,369
witnesses we've got a body of FOIA

2460
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:31,489
material we've got further intriguing

2461
01:42:35,589 --> 01:42:33,409
information that suggests that the story

2462
01:42:38,349 --> 01:42:35,599
that we have so far is probably just a

2463
01:42:41,290 --> 01:42:38,359
fragment of the bigger picture but it

2464
01:42:41,740 --> 01:42:41,300
really just comes down to is it just

2465
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:41,750
going to be

2466
01:42:46,090 --> 01:42:44,450
case that when me and rich pretty much

2467
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:46,100
the same age when we're hopefully still

2468
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:48,170
around when we're 90 years old are we

2469
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:49,850
just going to add more filing cabinets

2470
01:42:55,060 --> 01:42:52,730
full of more reports or or are we going

2471
01:42:57,190 --> 01:42:55,070
to add more answers and if we are if

2472
01:42:59,560 --> 01:42:57,200
we're going to have more answers how do

2473
01:43:00,640 --> 01:42:59,570
we get them you know I see from my

2474
01:43:02,500 --> 01:43:00,650
perspective although you know the

2475
01:43:04,900 --> 01:43:02,510
certain cases which everybody disagrees

2476
01:43:06,730 --> 01:43:04,910
on a lot of people agree on that's

2477
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:06,740
always going to happen but the fact that

2478
01:43:12,940 --> 01:43:09,290
there's a genuine UFO presence in my

2479
01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:12,950
mind and it's not us is overwhelming but

2480
01:43:17,740 --> 01:43:15,650
it's all but people came to that

2481
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:17,750
conclusion 50 60 years ago you know

2482
01:43:23,890 --> 01:43:21,290
screen filled Kehoe etc connect but they

2483
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:23,900
went to their graves now solving it how

2484
01:43:31,480 --> 01:43:27,050
do we how how do we today in the 21st

2485
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:31,490
century not turn into in 2050 you know

2486
01:43:38,170 --> 01:43:35,810
the 2050 keyholes and INEX lady resulted

2487
01:43:44,410 --> 01:43:38,180
I look at it as a - a two-stage process

2488
01:43:46,240 --> 01:43:44,420
one is - well three parts you learn the

2489
01:43:48,370 --> 01:43:46,250
truth - to the best of your ability then

2490
01:43:51,400 --> 01:43:48,380
you speak the truth and then you have to

2491
01:43:53,950 --> 01:43:51,410
promote the truth what I try to do for

2492
01:43:57,340 --> 01:43:53,960
my contribution to this is is to write

2493
01:44:00,610 --> 01:43:57,350
the best most clear history of the

2494
01:44:02,740 --> 01:44:00,620
phenomenon that I can write that doesn't

2495
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:02,750
you know I realized Paul's here and he I

2496
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:04,130
know that he doesn't agree with all of

2497
01:44:10,060 --> 01:44:06,770
my conclusions about UFOs but I'm I'm

2498
01:44:11,320 --> 01:44:10,070
hopeful that the case that I've put

2499
01:44:13,630 --> 01:44:11,330
together in my book and that other

2500
01:44:16,300 --> 01:44:13,640
researchers have put together it least

2501
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:16,310
makes the case that there is an

2502
01:44:20,140 --> 01:44:18,410
unexplained phenomenon that involves

2503
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:20,150
somebody's technology that is more

2504
01:44:24,010 --> 01:44:22,880
advanced and is supposed to exist I'll

2505
01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:24,020
tell you what we'll get into more about

2506
01:44:29,170 --> 01:44:26,390
in a moment mr. Dolan joining us on the

2507
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:29,180
power cast our co-hosts are Paul Kimball

2508
01:44:34,290 --> 01:44:31,910
and Nick Redfern I'm gene Steinberg

2509
01:44:39,210 --> 01:44:34,300
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2510
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2527
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2528
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2529
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forcing taxes to service debt this

2530
01:45:22,450 --> 01:45:20,990
capitalism was Jefferson correct when

2531
01:45:24,070 --> 01:45:22,460
stating a central bank issuing the

2532
01:45:25,210 --> 01:45:24,080
public currency is a greater menace to

2533
01:45:26,950 --> 01:45:25,220
the liberties of the people than a

2534
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:26,960
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2535
01:45:30,220 --> 01:45:28,370
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2536
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that explains our monetary system call

2537
01:45:36,940 --> 01:45:33,740
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2538
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:36,950
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2539
01:45:47,290 --> 01:45:45,350
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

2540
01:45:50,590 --> 01:45:47,300
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2541
01:45:58,919 --> 01:45:50,600
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2542
01:46:03,430 --> 01:46:01,899
we have Richard Dolan he's author a few

2543
01:46:05,589 --> 01:46:03,440
F O's in the national security state

2544
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:05,599
there's a volume one which is an

2545
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:08,960
unclassified history from 1941 in 1973

2546
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:11,119
volume 2 which came out late last year

2547
01:46:17,740 --> 01:46:15,770
the cover-up exposed 1973 to 1991

2548
01:46:20,229 --> 01:46:17,750
reminder listeners if you want to find

2549
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2550
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2551
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:23,960
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2552
01:46:28,330 --> 01:46:26,210
we also have forums you heard Paul

2553
01:46:30,069 --> 01:46:28,340
referring to messages from our forum

2554
01:46:30,609 --> 01:46:30,079
members that were using is questions on

2555
01:46:33,250 --> 01:46:30,619
the show

2556
01:46:36,129 --> 01:46:33,260
that's forum dot the power cast com

2557
01:46:38,979 --> 01:46:36,139
formed out the power cast come I'm Jean

2558
01:46:40,689 --> 01:46:38,989
Steinberg you're in the power cast rich

2559
01:46:42,879 --> 01:46:40,699
you had some further comments to make

2560
01:46:46,120 --> 01:46:42,889
from our last hour the question that

2561
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:46,130
Nick Redfern who posed that's right Nick

2562
01:46:50,830 --> 01:46:49,520
was really wanting to know how is it

2563
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:50,840
that we're going to get to the point

2564
01:46:55,750 --> 01:46:53,210
where we really have more than just

2565
01:46:59,410 --> 01:46:55,760
hunches and you know lots of file

2566
01:47:02,080 --> 01:46:59,420
cabinets of cases and no proof my own

2567
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:02,090
contribution is simply to try to create

2568
01:47:07,149 --> 01:47:04,489
an airtight case but the reality of an

2569
01:47:08,410 --> 01:47:07,159
unexplained phenomenon that has gotten

2570
01:47:12,100 --> 01:47:08,420
the interest of our national security

2571
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,110
apparatus not to prove that they are

2572
01:47:16,839 --> 01:47:14,239
alien necessarily although I think

2573
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:16,849
that's what I probably my number one

2574
01:47:21,910 --> 01:47:18,530
hypothesis that there's some type of

2575
01:47:24,129 --> 01:47:21,920
non-human intelligence I feel that

2576
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:24,139
that's the way to go and and I'm not

2577
01:47:28,899 --> 01:47:27,290
even saying that my own books are 100

2578
01:47:30,490 --> 01:47:28,909
percent perfect and the execution of

2579
01:47:33,700 --> 01:47:30,500
that idea but that's what I think I'm

2580
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:33,710
trying to do I want to create as as

2581
01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:37,610
airtight a case of the reality of the

2582
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:39,380
phenomenon from a historical point of

2583
01:47:44,770 --> 01:47:42,170
view and this is sort of my way of doing

2584
01:47:46,030 --> 01:47:44,780
an end run around having to prove that

2585
01:47:48,879 --> 01:47:46,040
there this or that or the other thing

2586
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:48,889
rather if I can prove that the United

2587
01:47:55,419 --> 01:47:50,239
States government and other governments

2588
01:47:59,319 --> 01:47:55,429
have engaged these objects continuously

2589
01:48:01,660 --> 01:47:59,329
with seriousness then that should be

2590
01:48:04,089 --> 01:48:01,670
ideally a jumping-off point for further

2591
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:04,099
public inquiry and pressure on the

2592
01:48:07,330 --> 01:48:05,570
government agencies themselves to find

2593
01:48:09,410 --> 01:48:07,340
out what's going on let me ask you a

2594
01:48:11,570 --> 01:48:09,420
fast version here rich

2595
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,580
you found in doing the two books and now

2596
01:48:15,470 --> 01:48:13,440
researching a third and doing still

2597
01:48:17,959 --> 01:48:15,480
another book that certain pieces of

2598
01:48:20,090 --> 01:48:17,969
information you took to be accurate are

2599
01:48:23,090 --> 01:48:20,100
now not accurate or led you in the wrong

2600
01:48:26,030 --> 01:48:23,100
direction oh yeah yeah especially with

2601
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:26,040
the earlier book which I wrote during

2602
01:48:32,930 --> 01:48:30,510
the late 1990s and you know there were a

2603
01:48:35,060 --> 01:48:32,940
lot of things that I just didn't know

2604
01:48:37,419 --> 01:48:35,070
didn't know about the UFO phenomenon and

2605
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:37,429
I was sort of learning as I go

2606
01:48:43,340 --> 01:48:41,310
so to speak looking back on that book

2607
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:43,350
I'm still generally happy with it but I

2608
01:48:48,110 --> 01:48:45,810
do intend at some point in the future I

2609
01:48:50,689 --> 01:48:48,120
don't know when to do one final revision

2610
01:48:53,450 --> 01:48:50,699
of that first volume not so much that I

2611
01:48:56,330 --> 01:48:53,460
think was incorrect in that book so much

2612
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:56,340
as just missing there's a lot of history

2613
01:49:02,540 --> 01:48:59,760
in that first volume that that should

2614
01:49:03,740 --> 01:49:02,550
have been there that isn't in there just

2615
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,750
a couple of things that come to mind off

2616
01:49:08,540 --> 01:49:05,520
the top of my head the whole connection

2617
01:49:10,340 --> 01:49:08,550
of of Kelly Johnson with UFOs Kelly

2618
01:49:14,540 --> 01:49:10,350
Johnson of course running Lockheed

2619
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:14,550
skunkworks division not only was very

2620
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,860
interested in the UFO topic but I've

2621
01:49:20,720 --> 01:49:19,199
seen them and in fact on one occasion

2622
01:49:24,169 --> 01:49:20,730
seen them in the company of other

2623
01:49:26,570 --> 01:49:24,179
Lockheed personnel that you know strikes

2624
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:26,580
me as a very significant thing actually

2625
01:49:30,740 --> 01:49:28,860
I've got a list I put together a number

2626
01:49:34,189 --> 01:49:30,750
of things in Volume one that I want to

2627
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,199
add to one more final edition the

2628
01:49:38,660 --> 01:49:36,480
biggest oversight I would say of the

2629
01:49:41,959 --> 01:49:38,670
first volume was how I really did not

2630
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:41,969
appreciate at the time the whole German

2631
01:49:46,430 --> 01:49:45,090
or Nazi flying saucer phenomenon keep in

2632
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:46,440
mind I wrote that book really in the

2633
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:49,290
late nineties it was before Nick cook

2634
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:51,690
had come out with his very interesting

2635
01:49:56,330 --> 01:49:54,210
book on four zero point in which he

2636
01:49:58,820 --> 01:49:56,340
really delved into that and in such an

2637
01:50:02,150 --> 01:49:58,830
interesting way after I read that I

2638
01:50:05,350 --> 01:50:02,160
thought damn it really would like to

2639
01:50:08,060 --> 01:50:05,360
have redone the whole Nazi UFO section I

2640
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:08,070
tried to amend that to some extent in

2641
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:12,090
the second volume where I talked in the

2642
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:15,210
early 1970s about how the the Nazi

2643
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:18,060
thesis started making the rounds and it

2644
01:50:20,989 --> 01:50:20,010
really did start making the rounds in

2645
01:50:23,870 --> 01:50:20,999
the early 70s

2646
01:50:27,379 --> 01:50:23,880
I gave me an opportunity to kind of

2647
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:27,389
correct that oversight you know that the

2648
01:50:31,790 --> 01:50:29,610
bottom line is I think that it's a lot

2649
01:50:34,219 --> 01:50:31,800
more complicated when we look at the

2650
01:50:36,020 --> 01:50:34,229
late 1940s when we consider that the

2651
01:50:37,790 --> 01:50:36,030
Germans were in fact working on

2652
01:50:40,459 --> 01:50:37,800
apparently some very unconventional

2653
01:50:41,989 --> 01:50:40,469
airframes including disc-shaped and we

2654
01:50:44,810 --> 01:50:41,999
have to wonder you know what is the

2655
01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:44,820
relationship of that to the UFO flying

2656
01:50:49,850 --> 01:50:47,880
saucer phenomenon of late 40s you know

2657
01:50:52,279 --> 01:50:49,860
the only thing that I would say is that

2658
01:50:54,500 --> 01:50:52,289
I I'm not convinced that that the sum

2659
01:50:56,930 --> 01:50:54,510
total of the UFO phenomenon of the late

2660
01:51:00,100 --> 01:50:56,940
40s can be traced to the Nazi flying

2661
01:51:04,189 --> 01:51:00,110
saucer phenomenon it just strikes me as

2662
01:51:06,379 --> 01:51:04,199
vastly too much and you know the other

2663
01:51:09,020 --> 01:51:06,389
question being who's who's running that

2664
01:51:11,330 --> 01:51:09,030
the so-called Nazi flying saucers if

2665
01:51:13,549 --> 01:51:11,340
it's a u.s. black project why our

2666
01:51:17,719 --> 01:51:13,559
American planes chasing them non-stop

2667
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:17,729
for over 60 years are we talking about a

2668
01:51:22,430 --> 01:51:20,610
kind of separate Nazi civilization I

2669
01:51:25,370 --> 01:51:22,440
went to Antarctica or South America well

2670
01:51:28,009 --> 01:51:25,380
if that's the case I haven't really come

2671
01:51:30,140 --> 01:51:28,019
across historical evidence that makes

2672
01:51:31,759 --> 01:51:30,150
that very compelling to me now a couple

2673
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of other things that you mentioned in

2674
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your book that I wanted to go over now

2675
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we were talking about over evidence of

2676
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government participation in the UFO

2677
01:51:43,759 --> 01:51:41,070
field and we have a couple of very

2678
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:43,769
unfortunate incidents over the years two

2679
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:46,650
apparent suicides of UFO researchers we

2680
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:48,570
all know about first going back to the

2681
01:51:55,279 --> 01:51:53,130
50s MK Jessup and his participation gets

2682
01:51:57,229 --> 01:51:55,289
to be rather notorious because of that

2683
01:52:00,140 --> 01:51:57,239
book the case of the UFO and then we had

2684
01:52:02,689 --> 01:52:00,150
this character Carl Allen or Carlos a

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01:52:05,979 --> 01:52:02,699
tenday who comes up with the annotated

2686
01:52:08,509 --> 01:52:05,989
version he suffocated himself with a

2687
01:52:12,169 --> 01:52:08,519
carbon monoxide poisoning I think he ran

2688
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:12,179
a tube from the exhaust of his car okay

2689
01:52:16,160 --> 01:52:14,489
okay so anything weird about that you

2690
01:52:17,810 --> 01:52:16,170
just think it's just a person who was

2691
01:52:19,819 --> 01:52:17,820
despondent or had some reason to think

2692
01:52:20,839 --> 01:52:19,829
they shut off themselves I think he

2693
01:52:23,569 --> 01:52:20,849
could have been killed absolutely

2694
01:52:25,100 --> 01:52:23,579
could've been suicided I don't know if

2695
01:52:28,939 --> 01:52:25,110
I'm gonna ever know the truth to that

2696
01:52:31,629 --> 01:52:28,949
one but yeah I mean it's the easiest

2697
01:52:32,979 --> 01:52:31,639
thing in the world to suicide a person

2698
01:52:34,660 --> 01:52:32,989
make it look like they killed themselves

2699
01:52:37,209 --> 01:52:34,670
and even back in the 40s and 50s that

2700
01:52:37,959 --> 01:52:37,219
was that was old news for intelligence

2701
01:52:39,970 --> 01:52:37,969
operatives

2702
01:52:42,340 --> 01:52:39,980
so what could Jessup have been killed

2703
01:52:44,890 --> 01:52:42,350
sure but do you see any reason other

2704
01:52:46,899 --> 01:52:44,900
than saying gee we could certainly make

2705
01:52:49,540 --> 01:52:46,909
a death appear to be natural we see that

2706
01:52:51,609 --> 01:52:49,550
all the time on television CSI covers in

2707
01:52:53,350 --> 01:52:51,619
every couple of months somebody made to

2708
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:53,360
look like they died naturally but they

2709
01:52:57,430 --> 01:52:54,860
were really murdered would there be any

2710
01:52:59,050 --> 01:52:57,440
reason to kill Mars Kate Jessup well if

2711
01:52:59,859 --> 01:52:59,060
he stumbled across something that was

2712
01:53:03,700 --> 01:52:59,869
really important

2713
01:53:06,430 --> 01:53:03,710
if the Varro edition of the case for the

2714
01:53:10,390 --> 01:53:06,440
UFO actually is significant is I mean

2715
01:53:12,609 --> 01:53:10,400
you know it Allende actually is who

2716
01:53:17,020 --> 01:53:12,619
knows what Carlos Allende was what Carl

2717
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:17,030
Allen was um talk is cheap did he create

2718
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:21,260
those documents or not I I don't know he

2719
01:53:27,160 --> 01:53:24,050
says he did okay well maybe he did maybe

2720
01:53:29,470 --> 01:53:27,170
he didn't the Jessup story is a little

2721
01:53:32,050 --> 01:53:29,480
odd and he may have just killed himself

2722
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:32,060
I don't I don't recall speculating that

2723
01:53:36,030 --> 01:53:34,369
he was murdered in the first volume of

2724
01:53:39,609 --> 01:53:36,040
my book I think I kind of let that go

2725
01:53:41,830 --> 01:53:39,619
but I don't know I do think a number of

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people connected with the UFO mystery

2727
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were murdered not suicide in fact one is

2728
01:53:50,229 --> 01:53:47,360
James Forrestal the former Secretary of

2729
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Defense I pretty much convinced that

2730
01:53:54,790 --> 01:53:52,159
Forrestal was thrown out the window of

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the Bethesda Naval Hospital back in 1949

2732
01:54:00,370 --> 01:53:58,520
I don't think he just jumped his death

2733
01:54:02,560 --> 01:54:00,380
is one that I've studied in some detail

2734
01:54:04,090 --> 01:54:02,570
and when I conclude that he was murdered

2735
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:04,100
then I have to ask myself well why would

2736
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he have been murdered there are a couple

2737
01:54:10,959 --> 01:54:08,540
of possibilities one could have been

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01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:10,969
having to do with communism kind of the

2739
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,010
communist menace as it was perceived in

2740
01:54:17,950 --> 01:54:15,679
1949 but one I think is legitimate

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01:54:20,770 --> 01:54:17,960
concern relating to the UFO phenomenon

2742
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Forrestal was a guy who knew things he

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might have been seen as a security risk

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in early 1949 and maybe they just

2745
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decided to get rid of him his death was

2746
01:54:33,580 --> 01:54:31,730
very suspicious very suspicious what

2747
01:54:36,879 --> 01:54:33,590
others do you think maybe you intrigued

2748
01:54:38,770 --> 01:54:36,889
you repelled repelled he died of died of

2749
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a heart attack right he was my wife

2750
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maybe 40 years old 39 something like 37

2751
01:54:46,109 --> 01:54:43,489
okay even worse

2752
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so and the thing about rude Pelt is that

2753
01:54:54,009 --> 01:54:51,469
he you know had written in 1956 a really

2754
01:54:56,529 --> 01:54:54,019
a classic study of the UFO topic it was

2755
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very mature very nicely put together a

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study of unidentified flying objects and

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01:55:06,180 --> 01:55:03,710
three years later in 1959 writes an

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additional three chapters to that book

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while he was working over it

2760
01:55:13,060 --> 01:55:11,360
I think Northrop and the thing about it

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if you've read those three subsequent

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chapters I want to talk about that in

2763
01:55:18,609 --> 01:55:16,909
the next section because I remember what

2764
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major Keyhoe said in one of his books

2765
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about that so we'll get into it we have

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Richard Dolan author of two volumes of

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the UFOs in the national security state

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series a third one is going to come

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gene Steinberg you're in the power cast

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we were talking about whether the death

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of the late captain edward repeal author

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of the report on ufos a Doubleday book

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from 1956 who died apparently of a heart

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attack at the age of 37 whether he was

2893
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off by the authorities now i do know

2894
02:00:47,090 --> 02:00:44,940
that in one of major Kehoe's books maybe

2895
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flying saucers top secret he was

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mentioning that repeal told him that he

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was under tremendous pressure from the

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government to change his stance on UFOs

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he wrote three extra chapters for that

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book tell us about them right well yeah

2901
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that the tone of those three chapters

2902
02:01:05,810 --> 02:01:04,260
are compared to the the previous book he

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had written just three years before

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we're so utterly juvenile it's really

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striking that he does nothing but engage

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in insult and innuendo exactly the

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opposite type of tone than what he had

2908
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taken previously which was very detached

2909
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very low-key a very careful kind of

2910
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writing whereas in these final three

2911
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chapters he's just he sounds like a

2912
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different person now maybe he wrote it

2913
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maybe he didn't I don't really know if

2914
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it doesn't seem to be the same writing

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style probably as him but something was

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different within repelled when he when

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he wrote that book that I think is

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evident just from from studying state of

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his mind in the in the writing and then

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he ups and dies which I do think is

2921
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Vinod he was he was not yet 40 years old

2922
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according to Kehoe rappelled had had one

2923
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prior heart attack and you know I think

2924
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that's interesting so you might say well

2925
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you know he had a pre-existing heart

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condition or you could say

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that someone killed him and made it look

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like a heart attack the technology

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existed easily by 1955 1960 there were

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then inhale at your dead if you're not

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autopsy within a couple of hours the

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best they could do is say it was a heart

2934
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attack

2935
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that I know existed so I don't really

2936
02:02:27,640 --> 02:02:25,670
know what happened with rappelled his

2937
02:02:30,129 --> 02:02:27,650
death was suspicious but then tonight

2938
02:02:31,929 --> 02:02:30,139
recanted in the book and that's the key

2939
02:02:34,629 --> 02:02:31,939
there he recants in the books of why

2940
02:02:35,379 --> 02:02:34,639
even bother offing this guy don't know

2941
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:35,389
hmm

2942
02:02:39,549 --> 02:02:37,010
this is one of the points that rich and

2943
02:02:42,069 --> 02:02:39,559
I politely agree to disagree on I know

2944
02:02:47,290 --> 02:02:42,079
he speculated on Jim MacDonald's death

2945
02:02:49,629 --> 02:02:47,300
too and I don't see any grounds for that

2946
02:02:52,390 --> 02:02:49,639
kind of speculation there but that's

2947
02:02:54,669 --> 02:02:52,400
cool you know if you agree on 70% of

2948
02:02:57,399 --> 02:02:54,679
stuff and disagree on 30% well then I'd

2949
02:02:59,979 --> 02:02:57,409
rather focus these days at least on 70%

2950
02:03:01,540 --> 02:02:59,989
that we do agree on then the 30% or

2951
02:03:03,429 --> 02:03:01,550
whatever that may be we don't so I I

2952
02:03:05,469 --> 02:03:03,439
happen to agree with that ball okay

2953
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:05,479
let's let me talk about dr. McDonald

2954
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:07,010
only for a moment because we had an

2955
02:03:12,310 --> 02:03:09,170
truffle on the power cast several years

2956
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:12,320
ago and she feels completely that he had

2957
02:03:17,620 --> 02:03:14,570
reason to be despondent whatever with

2958
02:03:19,810 --> 02:03:17,630
his life and he did commit suicide you

2959
02:03:22,120 --> 02:03:19,820
feel it was deliberate it was murder

2960
02:03:23,830 --> 02:03:22,130
what is your background what is your

2961
02:03:25,810 --> 02:03:23,840
reasoning for this well I don't I don't

2962
02:03:27,310 --> 02:03:25,820
know if I if I hold that position as

2963
02:03:30,669 --> 02:03:27,320
strongly as I did to be perfectly candid

2964
02:03:32,020 --> 02:03:30,679
with you you know the Macdonald section

2965
02:03:33,219 --> 02:03:32,030
might be something that I would I would

2966
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:33,229
want to handle a little differently

2967
02:03:42,270 --> 02:03:37,280
power we we doing this today I do think

2968
02:03:45,549 --> 02:03:42,280
the technologies existed even by 1972

2969
02:03:47,859 --> 02:03:45,559
well get inside somebody's head that was

2970
02:03:49,330 --> 02:03:47,869
there whether that was the case with

2971
02:03:53,009 --> 02:03:49,340
McDonald or not I don't know

2972
02:03:55,270 --> 02:03:53,019
is it possible to influence someone

2973
02:03:57,489 --> 02:03:55,280
psychologically via technology the

2974
02:04:00,520 --> 02:03:57,499
answer is yes it is possible it was

2975
02:04:03,009 --> 02:04:00,530
possible in 1970s possible today

2976
02:04:06,160 --> 02:04:03,019
we can pretend that there's no such

2977
02:04:09,009 --> 02:04:06,170
thing as mind control or psychological

2978
02:04:10,779 --> 02:04:09,019
manipulation technologically but we do

2979
02:04:13,689 --> 02:04:10,789
that at our own risk the technology's

2980
02:04:16,030 --> 02:04:13,699
there so we're in this unpleasant

2981
02:04:17,680 --> 02:04:16,040
position of having to

2982
02:04:20,050 --> 02:04:17,690
ask ourselves well did it happen or not

2983
02:04:21,730 --> 02:04:20,060
and never having enough proof to make a

2984
02:04:24,910 --> 02:04:21,740
case one way or the other

2985
02:04:26,530 --> 02:04:24,920
so in mcdonalds case you know i have a

2986
02:04:27,970 --> 02:04:26,540
lot of respect for anne's research in

2987
02:04:30,270 --> 02:04:27,980
that book she spent a lot more time

2988
02:04:33,490 --> 02:04:30,280
studying Jim McDonald than I ever did

2989
02:04:34,690 --> 02:04:33,500
her opinion is that it was a suicide I'm

2990
02:04:37,990 --> 02:04:34,700
certainly willing to take that into

2991
02:04:40,690 --> 02:04:38,000
account so there now that takes us back

2992
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:40,700
years and years ago the 40s 50s and 60s

2993
02:04:45,100 --> 02:04:43,730
we have this any subsequent cases where

2994
02:04:47,710 --> 02:04:45,110
you think somebody might have been

2995
02:04:49,990 --> 02:04:47,720
murdered by the government maybe because

2996
02:04:52,030 --> 02:04:50,000
they knew too much or whatever yeah I

2997
02:04:54,970 --> 02:04:52,040
don't think it's a UFO case but I would

2998
02:04:57,640 --> 02:04:54,980
say the journalist Gary wimp I think was

2999
02:04:59,440 --> 02:04:57,650
probably suicided anyone who shoots

3000
02:05:01,120 --> 02:04:59,450
themselves twice in the head is probably

3001
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:01,130
going to be suspicious of that that was

3002
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:03,490
what the coroner stated about Gary Webb

3003
02:05:09,490 --> 02:05:05,930
Gary Webb for those who may not recall

3004
02:05:12,550 --> 02:05:09,500
offhand was the guy who in 1996 wrote a

3005
02:05:14,700 --> 02:05:12,560
three-part series called Dark Alliance

3006
02:05:17,950 --> 02:05:14,710
and it was all about the CIA's

3007
02:05:20,530 --> 02:05:17,960
relationship to the Nicaraguan Contras

3008
02:05:22,690 --> 02:05:20,540
the Medellin Cartel and the importation

3009
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:22,700
of cocaine into the United States at a

3010
02:05:27,430 --> 02:05:24,410
time in the 80s when it was becoming

3011
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:27,440
crack cocaine was being developed for

3012
02:05:32,830 --> 02:05:30,410
the first time and so the expose that

3013
02:05:34,330 --> 02:05:32,840
Gary Webb had was that you know during

3014
02:05:36,490 --> 02:05:34,340
the period when Ronald Reagan had his

3015
02:05:40,360 --> 02:05:36,500
war on drugs just say no and so forth

3016
02:05:43,270 --> 02:05:40,370
that the CIA was wittingly facilitating

3017
02:05:46,690 --> 02:05:43,280
the importation of massive amounts of

3018
02:05:49,210 --> 02:05:46,700
cocaine through the midian cartel to the

3019
02:05:51,310 --> 02:05:49,220
Contras to the Bloods and Crips in LA at

3020
02:05:53,650 --> 02:05:51,320
a time when he was hitting the streets

3021
02:05:54,970 --> 02:05:53,660
in the form of crack which of course was

3022
02:05:58,570 --> 02:05:54,980
the most pernicious drug to hit the

3023
02:06:02,230 --> 02:05:58,580
United States up to that time web lost

3024
02:06:04,210 --> 02:06:02,240
his job within a year he was savaged

3025
02:06:06,070 --> 02:06:04,220
I mean utterly savaged by the LA Times

3026
02:06:08,380 --> 02:06:06,080
by the New York Times and I think the

3027
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:08,390
Washington Post they just in his own

3028
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:09,920
newspaper let him twist in the wind so

3029
02:06:13,570 --> 02:06:12,320
to speak the CIA was you know

3030
02:06:16,630 --> 02:06:13,580
essentially working through their

3031
02:06:17,770 --> 02:06:16,640
proxies just touring to pieces CIA just

3032
02:06:19,450 --> 02:06:17,780
stood back and said well and of course

3033
02:06:21,550 --> 02:06:19,460
we didn't we weren't involved in any of

3034
02:06:23,620 --> 02:06:21,560
that but I think that we've made a very

3035
02:06:26,740 --> 02:06:23,630
excellent case what happened to Gary

3036
02:06:28,730 --> 02:06:26,750
Webb his career tanked and ten years

3037
02:06:32,330 --> 02:06:28,740
later dies of

3038
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:32,340
one but two self-inflicted gunshot

3039
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:34,800
wounds to the head okay

3040
02:06:40,610 --> 02:06:37,650
and yet it's ruled a suicide yes I think

3041
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:40,620
Gary Webb was murdered and certainly had

3042
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:43,440
he dead he died immediately after all at

3043
02:06:47,840 --> 02:06:44,730
that book it would have been deeply

3044
02:06:49,580 --> 02:06:47,850
suspicious you wait ten years you bought

3045
02:06:52,010 --> 02:06:49,590
him like that you send a signal to other

3046
02:06:53,690 --> 02:06:52,020
researchers like see this is what

3047
02:06:55,970 --> 02:06:53,700
happens to you and you screw with the

3048
02:06:58,340 --> 02:06:55,980
wrong people so I think Gary Webb was

3049
02:07:00,440 --> 02:06:58,350
certainly bumped off in that manner now

3050
02:07:03,140 --> 02:07:00,450
whether it was a CIA hit or drug hit I

3051
02:07:05,060 --> 02:07:03,150
don't know but I think he was suicided

3052
02:07:07,150 --> 02:07:05,070
and I think here's a guy who did out the

3053
02:07:09,800 --> 02:07:07,160
CIA for its role in drug trafficking

3054
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:09,810
let's return back to the UFO field

3055
02:07:14,270 --> 02:07:11,610
because we have two-and-a-half segments

3056
02:07:18,110 --> 02:07:14,280
left and we have a focus on an endgame

3057
02:07:20,990 --> 02:07:18,120
so we all know that a lot of researchers

3058
02:07:23,870 --> 02:07:21,000
have worked many many years decades we

3059
02:07:26,360 --> 02:07:23,880
had John keel we had Richard Hall people

3060
02:07:29,030 --> 02:07:26,370
who lived out their lives and nothing

3061
02:07:31,070 --> 02:07:29,040
happened major Donald Kehoe felt very

3062
02:07:33,860 --> 02:07:31,080
much so in the early years there would

3063
02:07:36,500 --> 02:07:33,870
be disclosure and he pushed very hard

3064
02:07:39,620 --> 02:07:36,510
for that with the organization ICAP so

3065
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:39,630
right now we're in 2010 as most of our

3066
02:07:42,920 --> 02:07:40,800
listeners are hearing this although

3067
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:42,930
since it is available also as a podcast

3068
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:45,450
people will hear this for many years I

3069
02:07:50,810 --> 02:07:49,530
imagine okay so in 2010 can we hope

3070
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:50,820
there's going to be any kind of

3071
02:07:55,040 --> 02:07:52,410
disclosure this is one of the topics I

3072
02:07:56,660 --> 02:07:55,050
want to deal with image stolen in the

3073
02:07:58,610 --> 02:07:56,670
next segment because we don't have

3074
02:08:00,230 --> 02:07:58,620
enough time right now to have you answer

3075
02:08:02,180 --> 02:08:00,240
it so I'd rather leave what they call

3076
02:08:04,220 --> 02:08:02,190
the cliffhanger except to say you have

3077
02:08:06,350 --> 02:08:04,230
two books out there now UFOs and the

3078
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national security state volume one

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covering 1941 to 1973 volume two the

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more recent one came out or late last

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year covering 1973 to 1991 and the rest

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of the coming out hopefully in the not

3083
02:08:24,020 --> 02:08:21,090
too distant future our co-host this week

3084
02:08:26,540 --> 02:08:24,030
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3085
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power cast at the Peres cast come on

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3187
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3189
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gene Steinberg and the question on the

3190
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table disclosure okay it didn't happen

3191
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in the lifetimes of lots of people who

3192
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were very dedicated and work real hard

3193
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can it happen now yes I think it can

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happen and I furthermore think that it

3195
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will happen in the future and probably

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in our lifetimes this I really should

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take this opportunity to mention that

3198
02:13:34,060 --> 02:13:31,639
this is the theme of the book that I'm

3199
02:13:35,890 --> 02:13:34,070
writing right now and it will be out in

3200
02:13:38,140 --> 02:13:35,900
the fall so I might as well just mention

3201
02:13:40,899 --> 02:13:38,150
it it's a book that I'm co-authoring

3202
02:13:42,879 --> 02:13:40,909
with award-winning journalist Brice's

3203
02:13:44,709 --> 02:13:42,889
Abel who happens to be the creator and

3204
02:13:47,830 --> 02:13:44,719
producer of the television show dark

3205
02:13:49,870 --> 02:13:47,840
skies which aired in the late 1990s

3206
02:13:51,250 --> 02:13:49,880
Brice and I have have been working on

3207
02:13:54,939 --> 02:13:51,260
this book it's just about finished we

3208
02:13:56,770 --> 02:13:54,949
call it ad after disclosure and we have

3209
02:13:59,770 --> 02:13:56,780
a subtitle for it which is the people's

3210
02:14:01,299 --> 02:13:59,780
guide to life after contact I guess the

3211
02:14:04,600 --> 02:14:01,309
best way that I would describe it would

3212
02:14:06,100 --> 02:14:04,610
be as a kind of what if I'm not going to

3213
02:14:08,500 --> 02:14:06,110
put myself in a corner and say that's

3214
02:14:10,660 --> 02:14:08,510
going to happen although I think it

3215
02:14:13,779 --> 02:14:10,670
probably will but really in a way it's

3216
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:13,789
an interesting exercise what if a

3217
02:14:17,859 --> 02:14:16,249
disclosure did happen how might that

3218
02:14:20,500 --> 02:14:17,869
change the world and this is really the

3219
02:14:22,750 --> 02:14:20,510
kind of book that we put together and I

3220
02:14:26,589 --> 02:14:22,760
must say it's been just a fascinating

3221
02:14:29,199 --> 02:14:26,599
journey I think we've got as many ideas

3222
02:14:31,479 --> 02:14:29,209
per page as any UFO book has that's out

3223
02:14:33,549 --> 02:14:31,489
there and again I think we're going to

3224
02:14:36,959 --> 02:14:33,559
have it done probably any week and have

3225
02:14:40,299 --> 02:14:36,969
it ready for print by the in the fall so

3226
02:14:42,219 --> 02:14:40,309
you know part of part of my developing

3227
02:14:45,180 --> 02:14:42,229
thesis for the last couple of years has

3228
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:45,190
been that it is going to happen despite

3229
02:14:51,879 --> 02:14:49,280
despite the the most determined efforts

3230
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:51,889
of those to stop it I've sort of

3231
02:14:56,879 --> 02:14:53,599
explored some of those reasons with you

3232
02:14:59,649 --> 02:14:56,889
earlier in this interview and that I

3233
02:15:02,649 --> 02:14:59,659
just see you know in the grand scheme of

3234
02:15:06,189 --> 02:15:02,659
things our society is moving way too

3235
02:15:09,279 --> 02:15:06,199
fast technologically and therefore

3236
02:15:12,250 --> 02:15:09,289
socially that something is going to

3237
02:15:12,950 --> 02:15:12,260
happen it could very well be with the

3238
02:15:15,470 --> 02:15:12,960
development of

3239
02:15:17,120 --> 02:15:15,480
of better quality portable video cameras

3240
02:15:21,260 --> 02:15:17,130
which very soon everyone's going to be

3241
02:15:22,640 --> 02:15:21,270
carrying that something undeniable will

3242
02:15:25,850 --> 02:15:22,650
happen it could be something that

3243
02:15:28,370 --> 02:15:25,860
happens during a broadcast itself for

3244
02:15:29,870 --> 02:15:28,380
all we know I do think that it's

3245
02:15:33,500 --> 02:15:29,880
probably something that will happen very

3246
02:15:36,530 --> 02:15:33,510
suddenly very unexpectedly it might be

3247
02:15:38,420 --> 02:15:36,540
that you know we have a deathbed

3248
02:15:40,670 --> 02:15:38,430
confession that's publicly made of a

3249
02:15:43,729 --> 02:15:40,680
famous figure I think that's a little

3250
02:15:46,130 --> 02:15:43,739
less likely but who knows I guess I'm

3251
02:15:48,080 --> 02:15:46,140
focused less on the actual trigger and

3252
02:15:52,040 --> 02:15:48,090
more on the generalities and thinking

3253
02:15:54,590 --> 02:15:52,050
that 2010 is not like 1950 and it's not

3254
02:15:58,400 --> 02:15:54,600
going to be like 2030 for that matter

3255
02:16:00,500 --> 02:15:58,410
over 2050 it's very hard to predict the

3256
02:16:02,300 --> 02:16:00,510
future but I do think I mean you know

3257
02:16:06,290 --> 02:16:02,310
something like the internet was almost

3258
02:16:08,020 --> 02:16:06,300
not predictable in 1985 and so I think

3259
02:16:11,120 --> 02:16:08,030
that we're still in the point of of

3260
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:11,130
reinventing our civilization so I think

3261
02:16:15,740 --> 02:16:13,170
the truth will out and really our book

3262
02:16:17,780 --> 02:16:15,750
is an attempt to understand how might

3263
02:16:20,270 --> 02:16:17,790
that change our world where you based on

3264
02:16:21,860 --> 02:16:20,280
what you just said would you would I be

3265
02:16:24,650 --> 02:16:21,870
taking it correct then but you don't

3266
02:16:26,600 --> 02:16:24,660
really see that I guess the traditional

3267
02:16:28,550 --> 02:16:26,610
approach of disclosure of the government

3268
02:16:30,500 --> 02:16:28,560
coming clean because the government

3269
02:16:32,270 --> 02:16:30,510
decides to come clean or racist on the

3270
02:16:33,919 --> 02:16:32,280
stage it comes free you don't think

3271
02:16:35,540 --> 02:16:33,929
that's going to be the way we're going

3272
02:16:37,070 --> 02:16:35,550
to get the answers well I don't think

3273
02:16:39,469 --> 02:16:37,080
that they're going to do that

3274
02:16:41,419 --> 02:16:39,479
voluntarily I mean look if you and I

3275
02:16:43,160 --> 02:16:41,429
were president I I thought about this I

3276
02:16:44,509 --> 02:16:43,170
put myself in the position of these

3277
02:16:46,459 --> 02:16:44,519
people and I have a lot of sympathy for

3278
02:16:49,250 --> 02:16:46,469
any president that has to make a

3279
02:16:51,709 --> 02:16:49,260
statement because you know one thing you

3280
02:16:54,110 --> 02:16:51,719
don't want to do is cause people to go

3281
02:16:55,310 --> 02:16:54,120
crazy and pull a hair to their heads and

3282
02:16:59,690 --> 02:16:55,320
jump out of buildings and start shooting

3283
02:17:02,660 --> 02:16:59,700
each other too much and so you have to

3284
02:17:04,310 --> 02:17:02,670
be careful with how you present this

3285
02:17:06,860 --> 02:17:04,320
information and that's going to be very

3286
02:17:08,390 --> 02:17:06,870
very difficult my reasoning is the only

3287
02:17:11,060 --> 02:17:08,400
thing that would cause them to do it is

3288
02:17:13,580 --> 02:17:11,070
if they're forced into it somehow by an

3289
02:17:15,680 --> 02:17:13,590
event that is just no longer credible to

3290
02:17:18,290 --> 02:17:15,690
deny and I do think that's something

3291
02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:18,300
like that can happen however it comes

3292
02:17:24,350 --> 02:17:21,290
about they're going to have to be

3293
02:17:24,919 --> 02:17:24,360
withholding a lot of truth for as long

3294
02:17:27,019 --> 02:17:24,929
as possible

3295
02:17:28,759 --> 02:17:27,029
Cybil the problem with that strategy as

3296
02:17:31,189 --> 02:17:28,769
I see it is it's going to be very

3297
02:17:33,019 --> 02:17:31,199
difficult ultimately to do that for a

3298
02:17:34,610 --> 02:17:33,029
long period of time it's like being a

3299
02:17:38,240 --> 02:17:34,620
little bit pregnant you really can't be

3300
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:38,250
once once an acknowledgment is made hey

3301
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:40,649
you know we've been lying for 6070 plus

3302
02:17:44,540 --> 02:17:42,960
years about this then it's going to be

3303
02:17:47,240 --> 02:17:44,550
very hard to deny that there's a very

3304
02:17:48,799 --> 02:17:47,250
large deep black infrastructure that's

3305
02:17:51,250 --> 02:17:48,809
been involved in dealing with it and

3306
02:17:53,150 --> 02:17:51,260
people are going to be asking about it

3307
02:17:55,639 --> 02:17:53,160
increasingly will be more and more

3308
02:17:58,490 --> 02:17:55,649
difficult there'll be calls that will go

3309
02:18:01,939 --> 02:17:58,500
out to have a presidential executive

3310
02:18:03,979 --> 02:18:01,949
order that will liberate people who have

3311
02:18:06,679 --> 02:18:03,989
had black world secrets relating to the

3312
02:18:09,339 --> 02:18:06,689
to the UFO phenomenon and who knows what

3313
02:18:12,110 --> 02:18:09,349
will come out you know keep in mind that

3314
02:18:14,479 --> 02:18:12,120
during the presidency of Jimmy Carter a

3315
02:18:16,750 --> 02:18:14,489
lot of those leaks that Leonard

3316
02:18:19,639 --> 02:18:16,760
Stringfield got in the late 70s

3317
02:18:21,919 --> 02:18:19,649
explicitly came to him from military

3318
02:18:23,000 --> 02:18:21,929
people who said well looks like the

3319
02:18:24,740 --> 02:18:23,010
president's going to make a big

3320
02:18:26,179 --> 02:18:24,750
statement on UFOs anyway so I just

3321
02:18:28,219 --> 02:18:26,189
thought I would tell you and this

3322
02:18:30,830 --> 02:18:28,229
actually happened in other words it was

3323
02:18:33,139 --> 02:18:30,840
believed by people at that time that

3324
02:18:35,269 --> 02:18:33,149
Jimmy Carter was going to be in fact the

3325
02:18:37,780 --> 02:18:35,279
disclosure president of course it didn't

3326
02:18:39,620 --> 02:18:37,790
happen but there was enough of a

3327
02:18:41,900 --> 02:18:39,630
widespread belief because of certain

3328
02:18:43,700 --> 02:18:41,910
statements he had made to cause a number

3329
02:18:46,280 --> 02:18:43,710
of people to come out and weak

3330
02:18:48,469 --> 02:18:46,290
information to Stringfield so in the

3331
02:18:51,469 --> 02:18:48,479
event that there's an actual official

3332
02:18:54,620 --> 02:18:51,479
statement of some sort I think it's a

3333
02:18:55,849 --> 02:18:54,630
no-brainer that had a lot of black world

3334
02:18:57,559 --> 02:18:55,859
people gonna come up and they're just

3335
02:18:59,209 --> 02:18:57,569
going to start talking and then it's

3336
02:19:02,240 --> 02:18:59,219
going to be very difficult to contain

3337
02:19:04,849 --> 02:19:02,250
that situation mixing you know it's it's

3338
02:19:06,349 --> 02:19:04,859
going to be a truth out of control what

3339
02:19:07,849 --> 02:19:06,359
kind of words means looking at the way

3340
02:19:10,570 --> 02:19:07,859
the government works if we have a

3341
02:19:13,250 --> 02:19:10,580
government where we hardly control our

3342
02:19:15,769 --> 02:19:13,260
intelligence apparatus at all where

3343
02:19:18,290 --> 02:19:15,779
Donald Rumsfeld said what 2000 before

3344
02:19:20,299 --> 02:19:18,300
9/11 that there's a couple of trillion

3345
02:19:22,879 --> 02:19:20,309
dollars lying around somewhere that we

3346
02:19:25,879 --> 02:19:22,889
can't account for if all this stuff is

3347
02:19:28,189 --> 02:19:25,889
going on behind the scenes you know who

3348
02:19:30,950 --> 02:19:28,199
really knows is there one singular

3349
02:19:33,919 --> 02:19:30,960
Authority who could say I can control

3350
02:19:35,940 --> 02:19:33,929
disclosure or is it so spread out in

3351
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:35,950
different areas

3352
02:19:40,860 --> 02:19:37,930
so many companies private industry etc

3353
02:19:42,300 --> 02:19:40,870
and nobody could really do it I think

3354
02:19:44,970 --> 02:19:42,310
that there are people I call them the

3355
02:19:47,010 --> 02:19:44,980
Masters of the Universe look you know

3356
02:19:48,870 --> 02:19:47,020
one of the theses of my last book is

3357
02:19:51,870 --> 02:19:48,880
that America does have a kingmaker his

3358
02:19:53,430 --> 02:19:51,880
name is David Rockefeller that doesn't

3359
02:19:55,530 --> 02:19:53,440
mean that Rockefeller controlled every

3360
02:19:57,990 --> 02:19:55,540
single facet of US politics but it does

3361
02:20:00,900 --> 02:19:58,000
mean that he had preponderate influence

3362
02:20:03,301 --> 02:20:00,910
over who was selected to the presidency

3363
02:20:05,970 --> 02:20:03,311
and what those major policies would be I

3364
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:05,980
think that that's the case that is made

3365
02:20:10,770 --> 02:20:08,410
reasonably well enough in my book there

3366
02:20:13,710 --> 02:20:10,780
is a Bilderberg Group they do meet every

3367
02:20:15,450 --> 02:20:13,720
year in total secrecy they do gather

3368
02:20:17,820 --> 02:20:15,460
themselves together and they decide on

3369
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:17,830
how the world needs to look and they

3370
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:20,290
have more power in influence than you

3371
02:20:24,780 --> 02:20:22,630
and I have and so they're able to make

3372
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:24,790
various decisions in security and

3373
02:20:28,890 --> 02:20:26,800
they're able to have a lot of ability to

3374
02:20:31,020 --> 02:20:28,900
implement those decisions in structures

3375
02:20:33,511 --> 02:20:31,030
around the world you can call that a

3376
02:20:35,220 --> 02:20:33,521
conspiracy or not it's kind of an open

3377
02:20:37,350 --> 02:20:35,230
conspiracy because they don't make any

3378
02:20:39,750 --> 02:20:37,360
bones about what they do so are these

3379
02:20:41,671 --> 02:20:39,760
the people you know who are ultimately

3380
02:20:43,650 --> 02:20:41,681
in charge of the UFO secret I would say

3381
02:20:45,450 --> 02:20:43,660
the answer is maybe I would say the

3382
02:20:49,530 --> 02:20:45,460
answer is yes it absolutely could be

3383
02:20:52,671 --> 02:20:49,540
when you look at US foreign policy is

3384
02:20:54,330 --> 02:20:52,681
basically working in service of

3385
02:20:57,240 --> 02:20:54,340
financial groups that have basically

3386
02:21:00,841 --> 02:20:57,250
tried to for example steal Iraq oil or

3387
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:00,851
to try to take over a natural gas

3388
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:03,280
transportation in Afghanistan or now you

3389
02:21:07,860 --> 02:21:06,010
know try to take the immense value of

3390
02:21:09,301 --> 02:21:07,870
copper that's in Afghanistan and that's

3391
02:21:11,761 --> 02:21:09,311
that's what it's all about it's all

3392
02:21:13,890 --> 02:21:11,771
about owning the resources of the world

3393
02:21:17,820 --> 02:21:13,900
and that's what the US military works

3394
02:21:19,860 --> 02:21:17,830
for once we get our head into that frame

3395
02:21:23,370 --> 02:21:19,870
of mind it's it's not difficult really

3396
02:21:26,460 --> 02:21:23,380
to see the UFO cover-up as part of that

3397
02:21:29,341 --> 02:21:26,470
whole system there's money and power in

3398
02:21:31,350 --> 02:21:29,351
the UFO secret money in the form of

3399
02:21:33,870 --> 02:21:31,360
acquired technology at least this is my

3400
02:21:36,830 --> 02:21:33,880
belief is what it looks like to me in

3401
02:21:39,810 --> 02:21:36,840
terms of technology that have been

3402
02:21:42,841 --> 02:21:39,820
obtained well if you've got something

3403
02:21:45,360 --> 02:21:42,851
that's vastly ahead of your you know

3404
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:45,370
above the world open world technology

3405
02:21:48,960 --> 02:21:47,050
then you've you've got the future in

3406
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:48,970
your hand and you've got a great number

3407
02:21:51,301 --> 02:21:49,690
of ground

3408
02:21:53,940 --> 02:21:51,311
investment opportunities so you have no

3409
02:21:55,740 --> 02:21:53,950
incentive for giving that secret up so I

3410
02:21:58,290 --> 02:21:55,750
think that's part of the problem I think

3411
02:22:00,930 --> 02:21:58,300
that um if there's a guy who's in charge

3412
02:22:03,690 --> 02:22:00,940
yeah I would I would look to that the

3413
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:03,700
powers behind the scenes I would look to

3414
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:05,530
people like those who meet it at the

3415
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:07,840
annual others to Bilderberg or the trial

3416
02:22:11,910 --> 02:22:09,490
at meetings or you know what have you

3417
02:22:13,530 --> 02:22:11,920
look at dignity good chaining those at

3418
02:22:15,690 --> 02:22:13,540
all that's what they have him on the

3419
02:22:17,190 --> 02:22:15,700
heart-machine now to make sure he lives

3420
02:22:19,470 --> 02:22:17,200
long enough to disclose

3421
02:22:21,660 --> 02:22:19,480
I'm sure Cheney knows a lot yes I have

3422
02:22:23,520 --> 02:22:21,670
no no little doubt that he knows a great

3423
02:22:25,740 --> 02:22:23,530
deal about this I have little doubt but

3424
02:22:27,750 --> 02:22:25,750
Richard Dolan is here with us this week

3425
02:22:30,480 --> 02:22:27,760
on the power cast our co-hosts Paul

3426
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:30,490
Kimble Nick Redfern I'm gene Steinberg

3427
02:22:42,480 --> 02:22:32,800
you're in the power cast for one more

3428
02:22:44,850 --> 02:22:42,490
segment Ray Perkins a reclusive veteran

3429
02:22:47,100 --> 02:22:44,860
burned out from the Gulf War lives

3430
02:22:49,530 --> 02:22:47,110
tortured by relentless perplexing

3431
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:49,540
nightmares nightmares of a horrific

3432
02:22:53,761 --> 02:22:51,760
battle in deep space and of a mysterious

3433
02:22:56,580 --> 02:22:53,771
woman suffering and agony for her

3434
02:23:01,430 --> 02:22:56,590
devastated world a woman not yet born

3435
02:23:04,051 --> 02:23:01,440
calling across centuries to him then a

3436
02:23:07,440 --> 02:23:04,061
coincidence leads into his destiny his

3437
02:23:09,570 --> 02:23:07,450
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3438
02:23:11,820 --> 02:23:09,580
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3440
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3442
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3443
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3444
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3445
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3450
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3451
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3452
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3453
02:23:47,520 --> 02:23:45,250
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3454
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3455
02:23:52,529 --> 02:23:50,079
with hair the drain clog

3456
02:23:54,869 --> 02:23:52,539
stop standing in dirty bathwater stop

3457
02:23:56,909 --> 02:23:54,879
using dangerous chemicals just push the

3458
02:23:59,969 --> 02:23:56,919
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3459
02:24:01,800 --> 02:23:59,979
or tub twist and pull you'll be shocked

3460
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at what this little tool can pull out of

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3491
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3520
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3521
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Richard Dolan joining us for one more

3522
02:27:26,010 --> 02:27:22,479
session our co-hosts Paul Campbell and

3523
02:27:28,800 --> 02:27:26,020
Nick Redfern I'm gene Steinberger and

3524
02:27:31,170 --> 02:27:28,810
the power cast Paul is the foreigner

3525
02:27:34,080 --> 02:27:31,180
amongst us not from outer space but from

3526
02:27:35,670 --> 02:27:34,090
the great white north so what is your

3527
02:27:37,710 --> 02:27:35,680
feeling about this would you like to

3528
02:27:39,360 --> 02:27:37,720
follow up with rich well first of all I

3529
02:27:42,300 --> 02:27:39,370
just like to point out that Nick is

3530
02:27:43,530 --> 02:27:42,310
still technically a foreigner having

3531
02:27:47,250 --> 02:27:43,540
come from the United Kingdom

3532
02:27:49,350 --> 02:27:47,260
so he lives here we'll just do that well

3533
02:27:51,570 --> 02:27:49,360
yeah they used to call people like him

3534
02:27:54,050 --> 02:27:51,580
you know Hessians although they were

3535
02:27:56,850 --> 02:27:54,060
from German Germany but they were funny

3536
02:27:58,679 --> 02:27:56,860
so it taught me something too but I

3537
02:28:01,340 --> 02:27:58,689
don't want to say this on the air Nick

3538
02:28:04,530 --> 02:28:01,350
is a fifth column 200 years later so I

3539
02:28:04,980 --> 02:28:04,540
think he a clean green card then oh well

3540
02:28:06,719 --> 02:28:04,990
there you go

3541
02:28:09,410 --> 02:28:06,729
I wouldn't mind getting one of those so

3542
02:28:12,570 --> 02:28:09,420
I could work in LA look rich is far more

3543
02:28:14,910 --> 02:28:12,580
optimistic I find most people in the UFO

3544
02:28:18,660 --> 02:28:14,920
interest in the UFO subject are far more

3545
02:28:21,480 --> 02:28:18,670
optimistic than I am now with rich

3546
02:28:21,810 --> 02:28:21,490
regarding what exactly disclosure with

3547
02:28:23,639 --> 02:28:21,820
rady

3548
02:28:25,740 --> 02:28:23,649
we talk on the same level because

3549
02:28:27,240 --> 02:28:25,750
frankly nobody else in this show would

3550
02:28:29,580 --> 02:28:27,250
ever say but I don't have a whole lot of

3551
02:28:31,740 --> 02:28:29,590
respect for most people who take a

3552
02:28:33,480 --> 02:28:31,750
public interest in the UFO phenomenon I

3553
02:28:36,750 --> 02:28:33,490
do with rich because he understands

3554
02:28:38,010 --> 02:28:36,760
history and it was very weird people

3555
02:28:40,620 --> 02:28:38,020
might be very surprised to hear me say

3556
02:28:42,660 --> 02:28:40,630
this I'm actually I have a darker view

3557
02:28:44,460 --> 02:28:42,670
of the world and you too rich because I

3558
02:28:46,950 --> 02:28:44,470
see all the same things you do leaving

3559
02:28:49,860 --> 02:28:46,960
aside the UFO thing and I see it ending

3560
02:28:52,200 --> 02:28:49,870
differently I see it not ending in a

3561
02:28:53,700 --> 02:28:52,210
good way I do see it as evolving into

3562
02:28:55,889 --> 02:28:53,710
police state into a national

3563
02:28:57,840 --> 02:28:55,899
surveillance state and I see that

3564
02:29:00,480 --> 02:28:57,850
combined and actually you know what this

3565
02:29:01,980 --> 02:29:00,490
ties into the Robertson panel strangely

3566
02:29:03,780 --> 02:29:01,990
enough or at least you could tie it into

3567
02:29:05,520 --> 02:29:03,790
the Robertson panel where they said they

3568
02:29:08,940 --> 02:29:05,530
would use documentary filmmakers and

3569
02:29:10,770 --> 02:29:08,950
entertain groups to distract people from

3570
02:29:12,600 --> 02:29:10,780
the UFO phenomenon to manage that

3571
02:29:14,070 --> 02:29:12,610
information now you could argue over

3572
02:29:15,240 --> 02:29:14,080
what they meant by that but there's no

3573
02:29:17,460 --> 02:29:15,250
question that they were talking about

3574
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:17,470
using the mass media as a way of

3575
02:29:22,069 --> 02:29:19,050
controlling information

3576
02:29:24,500 --> 02:29:22,079
yes so so I I think the most important

3577
02:29:25,609 --> 02:29:24,510
thing Wow maybe not the most important

3578
02:29:26,990 --> 02:29:25,619
thing but one of the most important

3579
02:29:28,880 --> 02:29:27,000
things that people could read if they

3580
02:29:30,410 --> 02:29:28,890
want to look at the UFO phenomenon in

3581
02:29:31,429 --> 02:29:30,420
the national security state and a lot of

3582
02:29:35,240 --> 02:29:31,439
the things that we've been talking about

3583
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:35,250
today and the issue of disclosure is the

3584
02:29:40,969 --> 02:29:37,050
Society of the spectacle which was

3585
02:29:43,340 --> 02:29:40,979
written by a French Marxist theorist D

3586
02:29:46,189 --> 02:29:43,350
de Boer who was part of a group called

3587
02:29:49,189 --> 02:29:46,199
the Situationists in the 1960s very

3588
02:29:51,800 --> 02:29:49,199
radical but his whole idea been you know

3589
02:29:54,889 --> 02:29:51,810
to sum it all up bread and circuses that

3590
02:29:56,899 --> 02:29:54,899
we have become part in modern society

3591
02:29:59,090 --> 02:29:56,909
and technology increasing technology

3592
02:30:01,700 --> 02:29:59,100
certainly plays into this video games

3593
02:30:03,380 --> 02:30:01,710
are a perfect example where kids will

3594
02:30:05,510 --> 02:30:03,390
sit in front of their computer screens

3595
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:05,520
for hours upon hours now

3596
02:30:08,450 --> 02:30:06,720
playing video games instead of

3597
02:30:10,550 --> 02:30:08,460
interacting with people but they

3598
02:30:12,229 --> 02:30:10,560
actually talked I know that maybe this

3599
02:30:14,120 --> 02:30:12,239
goes a little highbrow or a little

3600
02:30:15,620 --> 02:30:14,130
outside the UFO norm but people in the

3601
02:30:17,090 --> 02:30:15,630
who are interested in these subjects

3602
02:30:18,620 --> 02:30:17,100
should be looking into this kind of

3603
02:30:22,099 --> 02:30:18,630
stuff and they should be thinking and

3604
02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:22,109
d'abord would write did write that the

3605
02:30:27,340 --> 02:30:25,050
spectacle taken in the limited sense of

3606
02:30:29,689 --> 02:30:27,350
mass media which is its superficial

3607
02:30:31,370 --> 02:30:29,699
manifestation had inverted the image of

3608
02:30:33,620 --> 02:30:31,380
society so that the relations between

3609
02:30:36,080 --> 02:30:33,630
commodities had supplanted relations

3610
02:30:37,490 --> 02:30:36,090
between peoples ie a Big Mac and

3611
02:30:39,229 --> 02:30:37,500
McDonald's is more important than my

3612
02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:39,239
friendship a NIC and passive

3613
02:30:43,219 --> 02:30:41,130
identification with the spectacle

3614
02:30:45,380 --> 02:30:43,229
watching American Idol on television I

3615
02:30:47,090 --> 02:30:45,390
say this is a former musician so plans

3616
02:30:48,590 --> 02:30:47,100
genuine activity ie

3617
02:30:51,139 --> 02:30:48,600
picking up a guitar and going out and

3618
02:30:52,670 --> 02:30:51,149
playing yourself so going back to this

3619
02:30:55,250 --> 02:30:52,680
thing about searching for the truth

3620
02:30:56,569 --> 02:30:55,260
whether I agree with rich or not whether

3621
02:30:58,729 --> 02:30:56,579
I agree with Nick or not about any

3622
02:31:01,160 --> 02:30:58,739
Goodin thing I respect them as people

3623
02:31:03,620 --> 02:31:01,170
who are genuinely seeking the truth but

3624
02:31:06,500 --> 02:31:03,630
they are few and far between and guys

3625
02:31:08,389 --> 02:31:06,510
like you are a diminishing group in our

3626
02:31:09,559 --> 02:31:08,399
society and here's another quote I'll

3627
02:31:12,500 --> 02:31:09,569
just throw out one last quote from

3628
02:31:13,700 --> 02:31:12,510
keybord he wrote and then I'll change it

3629
02:31:15,710 --> 02:31:13,710
a bit he said young people everywhere

3630
02:31:17,870 --> 02:31:15,720
have been allowed to choose between love

3631
02:31:19,790 --> 02:31:17,880
and a garbage disposal unit and

3632
02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:19,800
everywhere they have chosen the garbage

3633
02:31:24,349 --> 02:31:22,560
disposal unit and I would say you could

3634
02:31:25,969 --> 02:31:24,359
try it you could change that a bit and

3635
02:31:28,099 --> 02:31:25,979
say young people everywhere have been

3636
02:31:30,200 --> 02:31:28,109
allowed to choose between truth and a

3637
02:31:32,540 --> 02:31:30,210
garbage disposal unit and everywhere

3638
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:32,550
they have chosen the garbage disposal

3639
02:31:37,490 --> 02:31:34,890
I agree with so much of what you're

3640
02:31:39,679 --> 02:31:37,500
saying and and unfortunately I do find

3641
02:31:42,620 --> 02:31:39,689
that I often have a dark view of our

3642
02:31:44,780 --> 02:31:42,630
future too but I do believe that really

3643
02:31:47,090 --> 02:31:44,790
what we're in right now is is a grand

3644
02:31:49,400 --> 02:31:47,100
battle and the battle is between forces

3645
02:31:51,679 --> 02:31:49,410
of free thought and the forces of a

3646
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:51,689
global police state I don't think that

3647
02:31:55,790 --> 02:31:53,760
that battle has been decided yet I do

3648
02:31:58,820 --> 02:31:55,800
think that there are our forces on both

3649
02:32:00,530 --> 02:31:58,830
sides and that it isn't necessarily a

3650
02:32:02,510 --> 02:32:00,540
foregone conclusion that we're all going

3651
02:32:05,929 --> 02:32:02,520
to be mental slaves of the machine I

3652
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:05,939
also believe that there is in fact even

3653
02:32:09,440 --> 02:32:07,770
among young people I've got a son who's

3654
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:09,450
14 or daughter was 11 and I know all of

3655
02:32:13,099 --> 02:32:11,010
their friends and in about ten minutes

3656
02:32:15,620 --> 02:32:13,109
I'm going to be coaching a youth

3657
02:32:18,820 --> 02:32:15,630
baseball game in fact I find that there

3658
02:32:22,580 --> 02:32:18,830
is a hunger for truth once people

3659
02:32:24,889 --> 02:32:22,590
understand that there are issues to care

3660
02:32:27,320 --> 02:32:24,899
about now I see it every day in my life

3661
02:32:29,599 --> 02:32:27,330
I deal with people and private capacity

3662
02:32:31,130 --> 02:32:29,609
and nothing to do with UFOs they find

3663
02:32:35,030 --> 02:32:31,140
out that I'm interested in this topic

3664
02:32:37,340 --> 02:32:35,040
and and inevitably I find they're

3665
02:32:38,840 --> 02:32:37,350
curious and inevitably they want to know

3666
02:32:40,969 --> 02:32:38,850
a little bit about it and then after 10

3667
02:32:42,980 --> 02:32:40,979
minutes of me doing my thing with them

3668
02:32:45,950 --> 02:32:42,990
often one-on-one I find the same

3669
02:32:46,670 --> 02:32:45,960
reaction every time and it's wow I had

3670
02:32:48,410 --> 02:32:46,680
no idea

3671
02:32:50,750 --> 02:32:48,420
that's fascinating I'd like to learn

3672
02:32:53,690 --> 02:32:50,760
more so I think that at a certain level

3673
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:53,700
there is a hunger for truth that many

3674
02:32:59,179 --> 02:32:56,250
people have the problem is they are not

3675
02:33:01,219 --> 02:32:59,189
aware that they have it until until

3676
02:33:03,980 --> 02:33:01,229
someone whether it's myself or some

3677
02:33:06,320 --> 02:33:03,990
other person who cares enough tries to

3678
02:33:08,150 --> 02:33:06,330
turn that light on and then people can

3679
02:33:11,870 --> 02:33:08,160
realize so I think that there is

3680
02:33:13,670 --> 02:33:11,880
potential what I want to do in whatever

3681
02:33:16,219 --> 02:33:13,680
way that I can is to show that there's

3682
02:33:19,340 --> 02:33:16,229
another way it's a way of independent

3683
02:33:21,440 --> 02:33:19,350
thought it's a way of actively searching

3684
02:33:24,620 --> 02:33:21,450
for truth and sure it's it's a sacrifice

3685
02:33:28,070 --> 02:33:24,630
but it's absolutely worthwhile and I'm

3686
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:28,080
not prepared no to to say that it's over

3687
02:33:32,719 --> 02:33:31,290
I think that there are forces on the

3688
02:33:35,090 --> 02:33:32,729
other side of the fence that's our side

3689
02:33:36,590 --> 02:33:35,100
of the fence and that's the side I'm

3690
02:33:38,660 --> 02:33:36,600
staying on don't get me wrong I'm not

3691
02:33:40,969 --> 02:33:38,670
prepared to say it's over either in fact

3692
02:33:44,270 --> 02:33:40,979
I don't think it is I just think we're

3693
02:33:45,921 --> 02:33:44,280
losing so which my eye

3694
02:33:47,421 --> 02:33:45,931
you know it's like the it's the eighth

3695
02:33:48,790 --> 02:33:47,431
inning and we're getting our asses

3696
02:33:51,320 --> 02:33:48,800
kicked

3697
02:33:52,730 --> 02:33:51,330
and we're the Kansas City Royals and

3698
02:33:55,671 --> 02:33:52,740
they're the New York Yankees but that

3699
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:55,681
doesn't mean we can't win it just means

3700
02:34:00,711 --> 02:33:59,040
I think you know things like the society

3701
02:34:02,631 --> 02:34:00,721
the spectacle a whole bunch of stuff the

3702
02:34:04,990 --> 02:34:02,641
kids are not being taught in school

3703
02:34:08,330 --> 02:34:05,000
anymore that is not being discussed and

3704
02:34:11,421 --> 02:34:08,340
you know we live in a dumbed down sort

3705
02:34:13,341 --> 02:34:11,431
of white bread know name-brand society

3706
02:34:15,890 --> 02:34:13,351
and okay what we can get more into that

3707
02:34:19,610 --> 02:34:15,900
on another episode Paul because we just

3708
02:34:22,671 --> 02:34:19,620
have time and I've gotten to give rich a

3709
02:34:24,350 --> 02:34:22,681
chance to sell his books in the next

3710
02:34:26,120 --> 02:34:24,360
couple of minutes rich stolen tell us

3711
02:34:28,850 --> 02:34:26,130
about your books what you have coming

3712
02:34:30,620 --> 02:34:28,860
out where we can get copies sure well

3713
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:30,630
the first place you can go is my website

3714
02:34:35,301 --> 02:34:33,690
which is keyhole publishing calm just

3715
02:34:37,400 --> 02:34:35,311
like looking through a keyhole keyhole

3716
02:34:39,171 --> 02:34:37,410
publishing the book that I've written

3717
02:34:40,551 --> 02:34:39,181
two volumes of history UFOs in the

3718
02:34:41,841 --> 02:34:40,561
national security state they're both

3719
02:34:44,961 --> 02:34:41,851
available on Amazon they're both

3720
02:34:46,370 --> 02:34:44,971
available on my website I'm actually at

3721
02:34:48,801 --> 02:34:46,380
the point of getting volume two into

3722
02:34:50,270 --> 02:34:48,811
bookstores so I'm working on that the

3723
02:34:51,770 --> 02:34:50,280
book that I'm working on that I'm very

3724
02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:51,780
excited about right now is called ad

3725
02:34:56,780 --> 02:34:54,570
after disclosure I co-authored this with

3726
02:34:59,360 --> 02:34:56,790
the creator of the television show dark

3727
02:35:02,030 --> 02:34:59,370
skies that's Bryce is able I think of it

3728
02:35:03,890 --> 02:35:02,040
as a what-if book what if UFO secrecy

3729
02:35:06,110 --> 02:35:03,900
ended how would that change our world

3730
02:35:07,551 --> 02:35:06,120
the answer as Bryce and I are finding is

3731
02:35:09,080 --> 02:35:07,561
that it would change our world a lot I

3732
02:35:11,780 --> 02:35:09,090
guess we'll have to have that for

3733
02:35:13,551 --> 02:35:11,790
another topic but I will say that this

3734
02:35:15,890 --> 02:35:13,561
is a book where we really kept our

3735
02:35:17,631 --> 02:35:15,900
analysis very grounded as much as

3736
02:35:19,131 --> 02:35:17,641
possible but still not being afraid to

3737
02:35:22,220 --> 02:35:19,141
speculate on a whole variety of

3738
02:35:25,610 --> 02:35:22,230
possibilities it's a book that has

3739
02:35:27,950 --> 02:35:25,620
shocked me and how many different neat

3740
02:35:30,110 --> 02:35:27,960
ideas we've we've developed out of it

3741
02:35:32,570 --> 02:35:30,120
and that book ad after disclosure is

3742
02:35:35,570 --> 02:35:32,580
going to be out in the fall like we're

3743
02:35:38,360 --> 02:35:35,580
planning for September 23rd 24th we'll

3744
02:35:41,051 --> 02:35:38,370
see we're shooting for the website for

3745
02:35:43,551 --> 02:35:41,061
the book is called after disclosure calm

3746
02:35:46,520 --> 02:35:43,561
so you can access it there as well as on

3747
02:35:48,290 --> 02:35:46,530
my website keyhole publishing calm okay

3748
02:35:50,450 --> 02:35:48,300
Paul Kimball where do we find more of

3749
02:35:52,850 --> 02:35:50,460
the things that you're doing as always

3750
02:35:54,801 --> 02:35:52,860
the easiest place to go is my blog Red

3751
02:35:57,621 --> 02:35:54,811
Star films blog spot.com

3752
02:35:59,991 --> 02:35:57,631
and if you go in particular to may 7

3753
02:36:02,390 --> 02:36:00,001
in 10 you'll see my review of Rich's

3754
02:36:04,761 --> 02:36:02,400
book UFOs in the national security state

3755
02:36:05,961 --> 02:36:04,771
vol 2 where I write the important thing

3756
02:36:07,430 --> 02:36:05,971
about Dolan's work lies not in this

3757
02:36:09,411 --> 02:36:07,440
conclusions which may or may not be

3758
02:36:11,001 --> 02:36:09,421
correct but in his encouragement to us

3759
02:36:12,831 --> 02:36:11,011
to ask questions about the official

3760
02:36:14,631 --> 02:36:12,841
story not just concerning the UFO

3761
02:36:16,281 --> 02:36:14,641
phenomenon but about the way our very

3762
02:36:19,161 --> 02:36:16,291
society is ordered and how our

3763
02:36:20,691 --> 02:36:19,171
governments treat the truth so so thanks

3764
02:36:21,771 --> 02:36:20,701
for writing that rich and I did enjoy

3765
02:36:23,631 --> 02:36:21,781
the book even if I didn't agree with

3766
02:36:24,890 --> 02:36:23,641
everything hey by the way thanks for

3767
02:36:26,241 --> 02:36:24,900
that review I forgot to tell you

3768
02:36:27,831 --> 02:36:26,251
although you really hit the German

3769
02:36:29,511 --> 02:36:27,841
history kind of hard don't you think I

3770
02:36:31,430 --> 02:36:29,521
think what we gave the German history on

3771
02:36:33,140 --> 02:36:31,440
another episode Nick Redfern I need to

3772
02:36:37,161 --> 02:36:33,150
ask you were these my more the stuff you

3773
02:36:39,561 --> 02:36:37,171
do my website which is Nick Redfern calm

3774
02:36:41,121 --> 02:36:39,571
and a lot of blogs which are linked to

3775
02:36:43,881 --> 02:36:41,131
the site where people can find out

3776
02:36:46,791 --> 02:36:43,891
latest news things that are going on

3777
02:36:49,701 --> 02:36:46,801
breaking stories etc Nick Redfern Paul

3778
02:36:51,561 --> 02:36:49,711
Campbell and our special guest Richard M

3779
02:36:53,991 --> 02:36:51,571
Dolan thank you all for joining us this

3780
02:36:54,171 --> 02:36:54,001
week on the para cast thank you thank

3781
02:36:59,121 --> 02:36:54,181
you

3782
02:37:00,531 --> 02:36:59,131
he liked prepare guest is a calculated

3783
02:37:03,351 --> 02:37:00,541
presentation of making the impossible